Andy

And that's like the worst thing that there's nothing there.

And when they talk about the closet and just having a feeling of something being at the closet.

I've got a friend right now, Dean, who is not a guy who is into UFOs, ghosts, all that kind of stuff.

but just the other week was telling me and it's been happening for a while actually he was like i've been having an issue with like you know something in my house and i was like what do you mean something in your house and he was like i'm i'm seeing stuff and he was like i was he said he was in bed and he felt like something kind of hit him in the chest

look really powerfully and it really startled him he went i was wide awake i wasn't falling asleep i wasn't drifting off um and he said he's got like a an attic and he said he was in his bed and it was he was turned around facing one way where the attic would have been out and like the landing and up so you'd have seen it from your bed where you were lying and he said he just knew not to turn around and look because something was going to be there

so he just kept his eyes closed and for me that's like sell the house and move out territory um but he he's he knows that his home there was a a mining disaster very much in his back garden in the early 1900s and nearly 200 people died as part of it and he had his sister he saw he saw basically he kept seeing things at the corner of his eye he would see um

legs running up the stairs and he always saw on those the top couple of stairs in his home not the full set they would just sort of disappear almost like shadows but they were there he said the photographs he's got of his family at the top of his stairs keep turning and being moved the rest of the photographs on the stairs nothing gets touched just here and he also says really strangely at all times of the day he sees like the air in his house as if you had rippled a glass of water

He sees parts of the air just move and ripple.

And he says it doesn't happen when he's out, when he's anywhere else.

It's not an eye issue.

And, um,

eventually he's done some things where he's been putting sage and things around his house on some recommendations and he says the sage has popped a few times it's actually like exploded and he's said to whatever it is you know I don't want you here go away and nothing's happened now for six or seven weeks or so but yeah all that kind of stuff that feeling that knowing something's there the closets

it's all really creepy stuff and what gets me is like you say these people you've spoken to feel that they're helping as a cause it's not scary for them but some abductions seem the opposite where it is genuinely frightening genuinely scary people are being taken against our will

How have you come to view that pattern within the phenomenon of abductions and how some are good, can I say, some are bad, and some are in the middle somewhere?

And we'll get to the evidence section, which kind of rounds off the documentary as well, because I think that's really important.

And is it yourself that's behind the camera that asks the folks on camera about evidence and how there is a real lack?

And it's such a good question, and it's such a fair question to ask, because I'm sure, much like yourself asking it like I would,

It's not from an accusatory place.

It's from the place of your average member of the public when you present a story like Terry Lovelace.

And Terry Lovelace is not in the best of health these days.