Anita Arnand

But she sort of just looks at you for a while.

And it's in the silences that we as the audience can get to feel all the feels and think all the things.

But she does say right at the end, she goes, I wish you would have pushed me.

I'm really interested in that journalistic vibe that comes from you.

In a way, every journalist, and we three have all done this job, you want to get to the truth.

But when you have somebody who is saying, black is white, white is black, I'll give you the thing that I'm thinking about.

You go with Daniela Weiss and you're on this hill above the Palestinian town of Beta.

And you're asking her about settler violence.

And she said, there is no such thing.

And then you point out the footage that you've got in the film of an armed settler shooting a Palestinian protester at point blank range.

By the way, he gets his gun confiscated, but he's not imprisoned.

And an Israeli soldier is standing by.

And

And she says, well, she kind of doesn't accept that that's settler violence.

Now, if you can't get to somebody by showing them to their face something that we can all see, what does that do to your sense of fairness or journalism?

You've talked about the very strong leadership, but I really want to know whether in all of your travels and talking to the people who follow these people, whether you see a commonality in tribalism, if we can put it that way.

Is there something in the human condition that means people switch off their own questioning and follow people who say black is white and white is black?

Sure.

And that, I mean, that is also the Westboro Baptist Church.

You know, it's us in the church.