Anita Arnon

And many believed, you know, with him on the run, he's no longer on the scene.

The whole cause is lost.

It has collapsed.

Okay.

Okay, look, I agree.

I think one, you can have a grey area, but I think the second certainly does change him.

So I'll tell you why.

Okay, so Jamaica, where he's basically licking his wounds after being on the run from the Spanish forces, he writes this very famous letter.

It's just called the Jamaica letter, which lays out his views clearly because while he's in Jamaica, he still believes that

He is the man, or there are men like him, who can unite all of Latin America against Spanish rule.

So he spends a lot of this letter criticizing Spanish rule, condemning social divisions, arguing for a union of countries in the Americas.

This pan-Latin Americanism, that's the beating heart of the Jamaica Letters.

Well, I mean, look, okay, this lends some credibility to your argument, because it's about 7,000 words.

I think about 15% of it is about slavery.

I did a measurement, okay.

But when he does talk about slavery, William, he does sort of do it in this kind of, I'll talk about slavery, I'll talk about how awful it is.

The language is right, but there's no commitment to how he's going to get rid of it or how or when.

So, I mean, I'll give you some of the quotes just to show you that it is in his mind in this incredibly important manifesto letter.

So he does write in the letter, there's no greater misfortune than slavery.

There's no greater crime than to hold a man in chains.