Anita Arnon

I mean, you'd have to delete from your mind that the Creoles were driving them to work so that they could send stuff to the Spanish monarchy.

I mean, you'd have to delete that from your mind.

But if you can do that and you believe the promise, sure, of course you would side with them.

Of course you would.

Yeah, I mean, I entirely don't disagree with this at all.

Just remember in America, you know, the founding fathers were slave owners.

Yeah.

We went through, well, that is exactly the same thing.

But, you know, people go through a journey.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, Washington, Jefferson in particular, all over again.

So where does Bolivar fit into all of this?

Shall we talk about Bolivar's attitudes towards slavery?

When he was young, he had a vested interest in this system because it's what his family did.

It's what his family has always done.

It's basically what made him a very, very rich and eligible bachelor.

But he's also been steeped in these enlightenment ideas.

He's had a teacher who has exposed him to enlightenment ideas.

So he's got this own struggle happening within himself.

That they're capable of running their own shop.