Anna Sussman

And while she was talking to the driver and holding him still, a helicopter came and landed in the corn.

It was loading up the passenger who'd been ejected from the car, and it was clear to Amiga that that passenger wasn't going to make it.

So she held the driver's head in her hands, and she smelled alcohol.

The story continues right after this break.

Welcome back to Snap Judgment.

My name is Anna Sussman.

Today, we're listening to our series Fire Escape, already in progress.

A lot of firefighters at Station 5 were incarcerated on DUI-related charges.

Jodi Veers was one of the firefighters on Amika's crew, and she was also locked up because of a car accident.

She had actually been a firefighter before she was sent to prison, too.

After Jodi got out, we were talking one time.

She had her baby on her lap, and she described to me pulling up at the scene of an accident with two girls who had been killed by a man driving a truck and how she felt she needed to volunteer to remove their bodies.

When Jodi got back to the station, she found Amika.

Jodi said Amika would talk to her about what it meant to forgive herself.

But of course, working on her own self-love, her own forgiveness, was harder.

The accident she caused would creep up on her.

Can I ask, does that, did your relationship to that grief...

go through different stages or evolve?

Can I ask you a hard question?

When you talk about your healing, when you make that turn in talking about grief for the loss of this man and talk about your own healing, I am worried.