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We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, Terry reels hope for the future and what he thinks it will take for men to get there. Terry, I'm curious whether this mission of reaching men feels more urgent to you now than it has before.

I mean, you've written before about some of the progress you've seen men make over the years. You wrote once that millennial men in particular were the most gender-progressive generation maybe ever. And given what we've been talking about, the resurgence of traditional masculinity, the manosphere, I just wonder, like, does that trend feel like it's reversing for you right now?

I mean, you've written before about some of the progress you've seen men make over the years. You wrote once that millennial men in particular were the most gender-progressive generation maybe ever. And given what we've been talking about, the resurgence of traditional masculinity, the manosphere, I just wonder, like, does that trend feel like it's reversing for you right now?

Man, I mean, but it seems like that is the direction that we're heading. I mean, you said that this is kind of the last gasp, but I don't know. It doesn't feel like a last gasp. It feels like perhaps this approach to the world is gaining steam.

Man, I mean, but it seems like that is the direction that we're heading. I mean, you said that this is kind of the last gasp, but I don't know. It doesn't feel like a last gasp. It feels like perhaps this approach to the world is gaining steam.

You were holding the door shut because he was inside because he needs to be in timeout and you didn't have a lock on the door. I can see the scene.

You were holding the door shut because he was inside because he needs to be in timeout and you didn't have a lock on the door. I can see the scene.

Terry, I have just a couple more questions for you. Here's a big one. Why should men listen to what you have to say?

Terry, I have just a couple more questions for you. Here's a big one. Why should men listen to what you have to say?

The thing is that I'm right. I mean, I love it. Yes. Terry, you've mentioned your wife, Belinda, who's also a family therapist. Brilliant, brilliant therapist, yes. Can I ask you, like, a thing I find really remarkable and frankly soothing about talking to you is you have an answer and usually like a phrase or you've written a book as an answer to so many of my questions.

The thing is that I'm right. I mean, I love it. Yes. Terry, you've mentioned your wife, Belinda, who's also a family therapist. Brilliant, brilliant therapist, yes. Can I ask you, like, a thing I find really remarkable and frankly soothing about talking to you is you have an answer and usually like a phrase or you've written a book as an answer to so many of my questions.

But of course, you know, no one has all of the answers and we are constantly working on ourselves. And I guess really to close, like, What is something that you are working on in yourself and in your marriage to Belinda?

But of course, you know, no one has all of the answers and we are constantly working on ourselves. And I guess really to close, like, What is something that you are working on in yourself and in your marriage to Belinda?

I don't do that. Stop it.

I don't do that. Stop it.

That is so sweet. Terry Real, thank you so much for this conversation. It gave me a lot to think about and I'm grateful.

That is so sweet. Terry Real, thank you so much for this conversation. It gave me a lot to think about and I'm grateful.

Terry Real, everyone. This episode was produced by Davis Land. It was edited by our executive producer, Jen Poyant. Production management by Christina Josa. The Modern Love theme music is by Dan Powell. Original music in this episode by Diane Wong, Pat McCusker, and Dan Powell. This episode was mixed by Daniel Ramirez, with studio support from Matty Macielo and Nick Pittman.

Terry Real, everyone. This episode was produced by Davis Land. It was edited by our executive producer, Jen Poyant. Production management by Christina Josa. The Modern Love theme music is by Dan Powell. Original music in this episode by Diane Wong, Pat McCusker, and Dan Powell. This episode was mixed by Daniel Ramirez, with studio support from Matty Macielo and Nick Pittman.

Special thanks to Paula Schumann, Lisa Tobin, Wendy Dorr, Emily Lang, Mahima Chablani, and Jeffrey Miranda. And to our video team, Brooke Minters, Felice Leone, Michael Cordero, and Sawyer Roque. The Modern Love column is edited by Daniel Jones. Mia Lee is the editor of Modern Love Projects.