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As you developed this focus on male psychology, you've talked a bit about the sort of larger therapeutic community, but how did your colleagues respond? I feel like it's just, you know, speaking for me, I feel like it's easy to look at Men, especially white men, and say comparatively this group of people has way more privilege, as you've noted, than other groups in society.

So did anyone say like, you know, did you ever get pushback on that focus? That sort of, I don't know, privileging as it were of that experience?

So did anyone say like, you know, did you ever get pushback on that focus? That sort of, I don't know, privileging as it were of that experience?

No, I more so just mean, like, did anyone say, like, why focus on this group of people who already has so much power? Although what I'm hearing you say is because this group of people has so much power, that's why I'm interested in focusing on them.

No, I more so just mean, like, did anyone say, like, why focus on this group of people who already has so much power? Although what I'm hearing you say is because this group of people has so much power, that's why I'm interested in focusing on them.

Well, you're bringing up something that I wanted to ask you about, which is like, I'm really curious your perspective on what masculinity means right now. We talked about your early understandings of it, and this is a concept, certainly, I feel like. human society has wrestled with since maybe the dawn of human society.

Well, you're bringing up something that I wanted to ask you about, which is like, I'm really curious your perspective on what masculinity means right now. We talked about your early understandings of it, and this is a concept, certainly, I feel like. human society has wrestled with since maybe the dawn of human society.

It does feel to me, though, that we are at a kind of flashpoint culturally, at least in the United States, where men who hold on to traditional values of masculinity are lashing out. They're What are you seeing in the year 2025? What is going on with men? Big question, Terry, but I feel like you're the person to ask this, too.

It does feel to me, though, that we are at a kind of flashpoint culturally, at least in the United States, where men who hold on to traditional values of masculinity are lashing out. They're What are you seeing in the year 2025? What is going on with men? Big question, Terry, but I feel like you're the person to ask this, too.

None.

None.

I mean, you're talking about these models of masculinity, and I'm thinking about the models that are out there right now, especially kind of ascendant ones that are very different from what you're laying out. I'm thinking specifically about the manosphere, as it's called. These are podcasts, YouTube channels, online forums, influencers that are really pushing traditional masculinity.

I mean, you're talking about these models of masculinity, and I'm thinking about the models that are out there right now, especially kind of ascendant ones that are very different from what you're laying out. I'm thinking specifically about the manosphere, as it's called. These are podcasts, YouTube channels, online forums, influencers that are really pushing traditional masculinity.

Do you ever see that kind of stuff? And what do you feel when you do see it?

Do you ever see that kind of stuff? And what do you feel when you do see it?

You can give me your New Jersey self. I want to throttle them. And what would the therapeutic self say?

You can give me your New Jersey self. I want to throttle them. And what would the therapeutic self say?

Yeah, it's big right now.

Yeah, it's big right now.

We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, Terry reels hope for the future and what he thinks it will take for men to get there. Terry, I'm curious whether this mission of reaching men feels more urgent to you now than it has before.