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I mean, you're talking about these models of masculinity, and I'm thinking about the models that are out there right now, especially kind of ascendant ones that are very different from what you're laying out. I'm thinking specifically about the manosphere, as it's called. These are podcasts, YouTube channels, online forums, influencers that are really pushing traditional masculinity.

I mean, you're talking about these models of masculinity, and I'm thinking about the models that are out there right now, especially kind of ascendant ones that are very different from what you're laying out. I'm thinking specifically about the manosphere, as it's called. These are podcasts, YouTube channels, online forums, influencers that are really pushing traditional masculinity.

Do you ever see that kind of stuff? And what do you feel when you do see it?

Do you ever see that kind of stuff? And what do you feel when you do see it?

You can give me your New Jersey self. I want to throttle them. And what would the therapeutic self say?

You can give me your New Jersey self. I want to throttle them. And what would the therapeutic self say?

Yeah, it's big right now.

Yeah, it's big right now.

We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, Terry reels hope for the future and what he thinks it will take for men to get there. Terry, I'm curious whether this mission of reaching men feels more urgent to you now than it has before.

We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, Terry reels hope for the future and what he thinks it will take for men to get there. Terry, I'm curious whether this mission of reaching men feels more urgent to you now than it has before.

I mean, you've written before about some of the progress you've seen men make over the years. You wrote once that millennial men in particular were the most gender-progressive generation maybe ever. And given what we've been talking about, the resurgence of traditional masculinity, the manosphere, I just wonder, like, does that trend feel like it's reversing for you right now?

I mean, you've written before about some of the progress you've seen men make over the years. You wrote once that millennial men in particular were the most gender-progressive generation maybe ever. And given what we've been talking about, the resurgence of traditional masculinity, the manosphere, I just wonder, like, does that trend feel like it's reversing for you right now?

Man, I mean, but it seems like that is the direction that we're heading. I mean, you said that this is kind of the last gasp, but I don't know. It doesn't feel like a last gasp. It feels like perhaps this approach to the world is gaining steam.

Man, I mean, but it seems like that is the direction that we're heading. I mean, you said that this is kind of the last gasp, but I don't know. It doesn't feel like a last gasp. It feels like perhaps this approach to the world is gaining steam.

You were holding the door shut because he was inside because he needs to be in timeout and you didn't have a lock on the door. I can see the scene.

You were holding the door shut because he was inside because he needs to be in timeout and you didn't have a lock on the door. I can see the scene.

Terry, I have just a couple more questions for you. Here's a big one. Why should men listen to what you have to say?

Terry, I have just a couple more questions for you. Here's a big one. Why should men listen to what you have to say?

The thing is that I'm right. I mean, I love it. Yes. Terry, you've mentioned your wife, Belinda, who's also a family therapist. Brilliant, brilliant therapist, yes. Can I ask you, like, a thing I find really remarkable and frankly soothing about talking to you is you have an answer and usually like a phrase or you've written a book as an answer to so many of my questions.

The thing is that I'm right. I mean, I love it. Yes. Terry, you've mentioned your wife, Belinda, who's also a family therapist. Brilliant, brilliant therapist, yes. Can I ask you, like, a thing I find really remarkable and frankly soothing about talking to you is you have an answer and usually like a phrase or you've written a book as an answer to so many of my questions.