Annaka Harris

And it's hard to say how we could actually study this scientifically, but that's part of the reason why I'm such a supporter of IIT and why I'm so interested in what they're doing, even though I think they're wrong.

is because they're opening this path there.

And I think they're getting more people interested.

And I think, yeah, it's hard for me to imagine what the science will actually look like.

I will say that what I believe

At this point, I've been saying 50-50 for a long time.

I'd say now it's like 51-49 in terms of consciousness being emergent versus fundamental.

So I am not convinced of this at all.

I'm not convinced that consciousness is fundamental.

What I think is there are very good reasons to think it could be.

And essentially all of science up to this point has...

been led by the other assumption, by the first assumption that consciousness arises at some point, namely in brains.

And that's where all the science has gone.

And I think that's wonderful.

And I think it should keep on going.

And I actually think that was a more important place to start.

But I think there's a possibility that the correct assumption is that it's fundamental.

And so that's the science I support.

That's the thing I spend a lot of my time thinking about and talking to scientists

and philosophers about, and so I shouldn't give the idea that I actually have crossed over into believing this is the case, but it's the assumption I follow in my work at this point.