Annaka Harris

that space time and everything else emerges out of.

That felt experience is just part of the fabric of reality.

uh in the through our reason alone like we're gonna have to have tools of some kind i think it'll be a little bit of both i mean i think the science has a very long way to go and the truth is i don't even think we can get to the science yet because we have to do this work and this is why i'm so passionate about this work um and it's really it's really taking hold i mean there are

scientists, neuroscientists and physicists interested in consciousness and kind of having gotten over the initial obstacle of wrestling with these intuitions so that it's now being talked about in a serious way, which was the first huge hurdle.

But I think a lot more of that has to happen, a lot more of

The intuition breaking from the science we already have.

I mean, I think we almost need to catch our intuitions up to what we already know and then continue to break through these intuitions systematically so that we can really think more clearly about consciousness.

There are a couple of scientists now working on theories of consciousness, which do go... They don't quite go to the fundamental level, but they go extremely deep so that something like an electron might be conscious under their theory.

This is...

integrated information theory, IIT with Christophe Koch and Giulio Tononi.

I've spoken to both of them.

I spoke to Christophe Koch once or twice for this project I'm working on now.

What they're working on is incredibly interesting to me and I think very important work.

However, I think they are also really led by some false intuitions about self and free will.

And I think that will be a limit to their work.

So we can get into that, but- Let's go.

Christophe Coq is awesome.

Let me just complete my thought, which is that-

What they're working on, I think, is the most important next step forward, which is just even being open to the fact that consciousness goes as deep as particles.

But even their theory isn't going as deep as I think we need to go.