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Anne Applebaum

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The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

I mean, they look for substitute words that everybody knows means Tiananmen, Tiananmen being, of course, the name of the protest in 1989 that was eventually shot down. There's even a funny story about people started, instead of referring to Xi Jinping, the leader of China, directly, somebody decided that he looked like Winnie the Pooh. And so they would talk about Winnie the Pooh.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

I mean, they look for substitute words that everybody knows means Tiananmen, Tiananmen being, of course, the name of the protest in 1989 that was eventually shot down. There's even a funny story about people started, instead of referring to Xi Jinping, the leader of China, directly, somebody decided that he looked like Winnie the Pooh. And so they would talk about Winnie the Pooh.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

And then eventually that got banned because people were talking about Winnie the Pooh. And really, they were talking about Xi Jinping's The Chinese are always finding ways around this, but the state spends a lot of time censoring, monitoring. They don't cut everything because they want to know what people think, actually. They're interested in knowing this.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

And then eventually that got banned because people were talking about Winnie the Pooh. And really, they were talking about Xi Jinping's The Chinese are always finding ways around this, but the state spends a lot of time censoring, monitoring. They don't cut everything because they want to know what people think, actually. They're interested in knowing this.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

And then eventually that got banned because people were talking about Winnie the Pooh. And really, they were talking about Xi Jinping's The Chinese are always finding ways around this, but the state spends a lot of time censoring, monitoring. They don't cut everything because they want to know what people think, actually. They're interested in knowing this.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

But they've also begun to be able to attach that online surveillance to real-world surveillance. So... Street cameras, being able to monitor transportation that people use. So they're looking at a person or a group of people. They can track them across time, you know, through different places. Where are they going? Who did they meet? How much money do they spend?

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

But they've also begun to be able to attach that online surveillance to real-world surveillance. So... Street cameras, being able to monitor transportation that people use. So they're looking at a person or a group of people. They can track them across time, you know, through different places. Where are they going? Who did they meet? How much money do they spend?

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

But they've also begun to be able to attach that online surveillance to real-world surveillance. So... Street cameras, being able to monitor transportation that people use. So they're looking at a person or a group of people. They can track them across time, you know, through different places. Where are they going? Who did they meet? How much money do they spend?

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

What kinds of things are they buying? The place in China where this has become most extreme and where they seem to be experimenting the most with really trying to understand what people are doing is Xinjiang. This is where the Uyghur population lives. This is a Muslim minority in China that's very heavily repressed. There's DNA testing they do of people.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

What kinds of things are they buying? The place in China where this has become most extreme and where they seem to be experimenting the most with really trying to understand what people are doing is Xinjiang. This is where the Uyghur population lives. This is a Muslim minority in China that's very heavily repressed. There's DNA testing they do of people.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

What kinds of things are they buying? The place in China where this has become most extreme and where they seem to be experimenting the most with really trying to understand what people are doing is Xinjiang. This is where the Uyghur population lives. This is a Muslim minority in China that's very heavily repressed. There's DNA testing they do of people.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

So that's another way in which they keep track of people. They keep track of people's electricity usage because if someone has high use of electricity, then maybe someone is secretly staying in their house. They begin to use all kinds of utilities, transport, credit cards, whatever information they have on people, they can unify it and they can examine what people are doing.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

So that's another way in which they keep track of people. They keep track of people's electricity usage because if someone has high use of electricity, then maybe someone is secretly staying in their house. They begin to use all kinds of utilities, transport, credit cards, whatever information they have on people, they can unify it and they can examine what people are doing.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

So that's another way in which they keep track of people. They keep track of people's electricity usage because if someone has high use of electricity, then maybe someone is secretly staying in their house. They begin to use all kinds of utilities, transport, credit cards, whatever information they have on people, they can unify it and they can examine what people are doing.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

It's pretty clear that the point over time is to understand, is to look for political dissent before it happens. So if they find a group of people who seem to be having intense conversations and are using a lot of electricity and are meeting offline somewhere, then maybe you've identified a political cell or a meeting. And the same thing online. You can trace the development of ideas.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

It's pretty clear that the point over time is to understand, is to look for political dissent before it happens. So if they find a group of people who seem to be having intense conversations and are using a lot of electricity and are meeting offline somewhere, then maybe you've identified a political cell or a meeting. And the same thing online. You can trace the development of ideas.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

It's pretty clear that the point over time is to understand, is to look for political dissent before it happens. So if they find a group of people who seem to be having intense conversations and are using a lot of electricity and are meeting offline somewhere, then maybe you've identified a political cell or a meeting. And the same thing online. You can trace the development of ideas.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

And of course, once you have AI, a lot of this becomes much easier. You can trace how ideas spread, who's using them, who are the nodes of transport, who are the influencers that people are listening to in terms of politics. And of course, a lot of those capabilities we also have in theory. I mean, the tech world has them. U.S. tech companies have them in theory.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

And of course, once you have AI, a lot of this becomes much easier. You can trace how ideas spread, who's using them, who are the nodes of transport, who are the influencers that people are listening to in terms of politics. And of course, a lot of those capabilities we also have in theory. I mean, the tech world has them. U.S. tech companies have them in theory.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1117: Anne Applebaum | Inside The Fortune 500 of Modern Dictatorships

And of course, once you have AI, a lot of this becomes much easier. You can trace how ideas spread, who's using them, who are the nodes of transport, who are the influencers that people are listening to in terms of politics. And of course, a lot of those capabilities we also have in theory. I mean, the tech world has them. U.S. tech companies have them in theory.