Anne Applebaum

I mean, they haven't necessarily been used in practice. But one of the fears that Americans should have is that eventually they could if they worked sufficiently together with the government or they collaborated, that it's not impossible to imagine how you could do that. And the other point about the Chinese surveillance systems is that they are selling those systems.

I mean, they haven't necessarily been used in practice. But one of the fears that Americans should have is that eventually they could if they worked sufficiently together with the government or they collaborated, that it's not impossible to imagine how you could do that. And the other point about the Chinese surveillance systems is that they are selling those systems.

I mean, they haven't necessarily been used in practice. But one of the fears that Americans should have is that eventually they could if they worked sufficiently together with the government or they collaborated, that it's not impossible to imagine how you could do that. And the other point about the Chinese surveillance systems is that they are selling those systems.

They sell them to other dictatorships. So apparently nobody else has managed to use them with the sophistication that the Chinese have. But I don't know, if you're the government of Zimbabwe, maybe you'd like the capability to follow people around in Harare and know where they are at any given moment.

They sell them to other dictatorships. So apparently nobody else has managed to use them with the sophistication that the Chinese have. But I don't know, if you're the government of Zimbabwe, maybe you'd like the capability to follow people around in Harare and know where they are at any given moment.

They sell them to other dictatorships. So apparently nobody else has managed to use them with the sophistication that the Chinese have. But I don't know, if you're the government of Zimbabwe, maybe you'd like the capability to follow people around in Harare and know where they are at any given moment.

The systems of street cameras have been purchased by a lot of countries, sometimes with benign intent. You know, if you have street cameras, you prevent crime. And the UK has a lot of street cameras. So it's not necessarily to be used for political tracking, but it could be with the wrong kind of government or a lot of ill will.

The systems of street cameras have been purchased by a lot of countries, sometimes with benign intent. You know, if you have street cameras, you prevent crime. And the UK has a lot of street cameras. So it's not necessarily to be used for political tracking, but it could be with the wrong kind of government or a lot of ill will.

The systems of street cameras have been purchased by a lot of countries, sometimes with benign intent. You know, if you have street cameras, you prevent crime. And the UK has a lot of street cameras. So it's not necessarily to be used for political tracking, but it could be with the wrong kind of government or a lot of ill will.

I think, although this is so often talked about as these are Chinese capabilities, I think it's important to remember that once the technology exists, it could be used by others.

I think, although this is so often talked about as these are Chinese capabilities, I think it's important to remember that once the technology exists, it could be used by others.

I think, although this is so often talked about as these are Chinese capabilities, I think it's important to remember that once the technology exists, it could be used by others.

Yeah. What if he wasn't a dangerous armed robber?

Yeah. What if he wasn't a dangerous armed robber?

Yeah. What if he wasn't a dangerous armed robber?

What if he was a political dissident? Or what if he was someone in Washington wanted to get back at or wanted revenge against? Then you're already in quite a different world.

What if he was a political dissident? Or what if he was someone in Washington wanted to get back at or wanted revenge against? Then you're already in quite a different world.

What if he was a political dissident? Or what if he was someone in Washington wanted to get back at or wanted revenge against? Then you're already in quite a different world.

Many times.

Many times.