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Anne Applebaum

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The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

That's, as I say, I'm unable to think of a precedent in U.S. history. Maybe there's some historian who knows the American history in the 19th century better who can come up with something. But they are now creating sort of on top of and outside of the legal system, a kind of alternate legality. And the very idea... that a U.S.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

That's, as I say, I'm unable to think of a precedent in U.S. history. Maybe there's some historian who knows the American history in the 19th century better who can come up with something. But they are now creating sort of on top of and outside of the legal system, a kind of alternate legality. And the very idea... that a U.S.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

attorney would talk about investigating someone for criticizing the government also leads us into a new realm. There's another piece of this. I mean, I do want to talk about the people who are resisting Musk because I think that's interesting and important. And those are Americans who are facing choices of a kind I don't think Americans are used to facing.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

attorney would talk about investigating someone for criticizing the government also leads us into a new realm. There's another piece of this. I mean, I do want to talk about the people who are resisting Musk because I think that's interesting and important. And those are Americans who are facing choices of a kind I don't think Americans are used to facing.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

attorney would talk about investigating someone for criticizing the government also leads us into a new realm. There's another piece of this. I mean, I do want to talk about the people who are resisting Musk because I think that's interesting and important. And those are Americans who are facing choices of a kind I don't think Americans are used to facing.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

I mean, you're used to facing them in Russia or China or other countries that are being taken, where there's a hostile regime and you have to make moral choices in your job. But there's another aspect to this, which is Musk is also trying to conceal the names of the people who are working with him, who seem to be some recent high school graduates and college students.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

I mean, you're used to facing them in Russia or China or other countries that are being taken, where there's a hostile regime and you have to make moral choices in your job. But there's another aspect to this, which is Musk is also trying to conceal the names of the people who are working with him, who seem to be some recent high school graduates and college students.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

I mean, you're used to facing them in Russia or China or other countries that are being taken, where there's a hostile regime and you have to make moral choices in your job. But there's another aspect to this, which is Musk is also trying to conceal the names of the people who are working with him, who seem to be some recent high school graduates and college students.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

And they were revealed in a Wired article that as well as in, I saw a couple of people, others revealing them, discussing them online. And Musk is trying to shut that down. So not only does he want full access to U.S. government data, he wants secrecy about it.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

And they were revealed in a Wired article that as well as in, I saw a couple of people, others revealing them, discussing them online. And Musk is trying to shut that down. So not only does he want full access to U.S. government data, he wants secrecy about it.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

And they were revealed in a Wired article that as well as in, I saw a couple of people, others revealing them, discussing them online. And Musk is trying to shut that down. So not only does he want full access to U.S. government data, he wants secrecy about it.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

People working inside The U.S. government at USAID or GSA or, you know, the Office of Personnel Management, whichever those offices are, you know, they're going to have to face choices and their choices. And some of them have faced them already this weekend and some have even paid prices for it. You know, do you follow the laws that exist?

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

People working inside The U.S. government at USAID or GSA or, you know, the Office of Personnel Management, whichever those offices are, you know, they're going to have to face choices and their choices. And some of them have faced them already this weekend and some have even paid prices for it. You know, do you follow the laws that exist?

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

People working inside The U.S. government at USAID or GSA or, you know, the Office of Personnel Management, whichever those offices are, you know, they're going to have to face choices and their choices. And some of them have faced them already this weekend and some have even paid prices for it. You know, do you follow the laws that exist?

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

For example, do you hand over classified data to people who don't have security clearances or who don't have legitimate reason to want it? Because when you give someone classified data, it's not just that you're their status. They also have to have a reason why they need it. If you say, no, I won't do that, and then you're fired...

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

For example, do you hand over classified data to people who don't have security clearances or who don't have legitimate reason to want it? Because when you give someone classified data, it's not just that you're their status. They also have to have a reason why they need it. If you say, no, I won't do that, and then you're fired...

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

For example, do you hand over classified data to people who don't have security clearances or who don't have legitimate reason to want it? Because when you give someone classified data, it's not just that you're their status. They also have to have a reason why they need it. If you say, no, I won't do that, and then you're fired...

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

that then creates a kind of cascading psychological effect on everybody else who works at that agency. So then will other people be willing to say, no, I won't break the law for you, or no, I won't break the rules for you, knowing that the price is that they're fired. So it's not only that they're

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

that then creates a kind of cascading psychological effect on everybody else who works at that agency. So then will other people be willing to say, no, I won't break the law for you, or no, I won't break the rules for you, knowing that the price is that they're fired. So it's not only that they're

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

that then creates a kind of cascading psychological effect on everybody else who works at that agency. So then will other people be willing to say, no, I won't break the law for you, or no, I won't break the rules for you, knowing that the price is that they're fired. So it's not only that they're