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Anne Applebaum

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The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

I mean, I think what Ruta was saying, the NATO Secretary General, was that naivete about the ease with which you could get a deal or negotiate with Russia is unwarranted. I'm really worried because I hear both in Europe and in the US and in Ukraine, actually, a lot of people who do seem to believe that there's, because Trump has said he wants a negotiation, that there will be one.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

I mean, I think what Ruta was saying, the NATO Secretary General, was that naivete about the ease with which you could get a deal or negotiate with Russia is unwarranted. I'm really worried because I hear both in Europe and in the US and in Ukraine, actually, a lot of people who do seem to believe that there's, because Trump has said he wants a negotiation, that there will be one.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

I mean, I think what Ruta was saying, the NATO Secretary General, was that naivete about the ease with which you could get a deal or negotiate with Russia is unwarranted. I'm really worried because I hear both in Europe and in the US and in Ukraine, actually, a lot of people who do seem to believe that there's, because Trump has said he wants a negotiation, that there will be one.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

I mean, I am happy to be proven wrong. There is no one who will be happier to hear that there's a real negotiation happening and that the war would end. It's been a misery for so many of my friends. It's a huge political and economic problem for everybody else in Europe. I really want the war to be over. Ukrainians have made clear that they will negotiate, and they've made that clear in public.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

I mean, I am happy to be proven wrong. There is no one who will be happier to hear that there's a real negotiation happening and that the war would end. It's been a misery for so many of my friends. It's a huge political and economic problem for everybody else in Europe. I really want the war to be over. Ukrainians have made clear that they will negotiate, and they've made that clear in public.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

I mean, I am happy to be proven wrong. There is no one who will be happier to hear that there's a real negotiation happening and that the war would end. It's been a misery for so many of my friends. It's a huge political and economic problem for everybody else in Europe. I really want the war to be over. Ukrainians have made clear that they will negotiate, and they've made that clear in public.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

They've also made it clear in more specific ways in private. They would be happy to do some kind of deal. Of course, they're not going to give up their sovereignty and they're not going to allow the Russians to replace the current government with a pro-Russian government. There is right now, as we're speaking, no indication that the Russians want to negotiate at all.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

They've also made it clear in more specific ways in private. They would be happy to do some kind of deal. Of course, they're not going to give up their sovereignty and they're not going to allow the Russians to replace the current government with a pro-Russian government. There is right now, as we're speaking, no indication that the Russians want to negotiate at all.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

They've also made it clear in more specific ways in private. They would be happy to do some kind of deal. Of course, they're not going to give up their sovereignty and they're not going to allow the Russians to replace the current government with a pro-Russian government. There is right now, as we're speaking, no indication that the Russians want to negotiate at all.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

Again, maybe I'm gonna be proven wrong, but they haven't said they wanted to. Whenever Putin is asked about it, he's repeated his goals for Ukraine, which include the removal of the government and its replacement with someone he approves of.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

Again, maybe I'm gonna be proven wrong, but they haven't said they wanted to. Whenever Putin is asked about it, he's repeated his goals for Ukraine, which include the removal of the government and its replacement with someone he approves of.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

Again, maybe I'm gonna be proven wrong, but they haven't said they wanted to. Whenever Putin is asked about it, he's repeated his goals for Ukraine, which include the removal of the government and its replacement with someone he approves of.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

Sometimes the goal is Russia occupies and incorporates Eastern Ukraine, creates a little fake state in the middle of Ukraine and gives Western Ukraine supposedly, I mean, this is what they say, not what anybody would want, to be divided up by other countries. So it's a recipe for the destruction of Ukraine. That's what Putin has said. He's never offered a vision of an alternative.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

Sometimes the goal is Russia occupies and incorporates Eastern Ukraine, creates a little fake state in the middle of Ukraine and gives Western Ukraine supposedly, I mean, this is what they say, not what anybody would want, to be divided up by other countries. So it's a recipe for the destruction of Ukraine. That's what Putin has said. He's never offered a vision of an alternative.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

Sometimes the goal is Russia occupies and incorporates Eastern Ukraine, creates a little fake state in the middle of Ukraine and gives Western Ukraine supposedly, I mean, this is what they say, not what anybody would want, to be divided up by other countries. So it's a recipe for the destruction of Ukraine. That's what Putin has said. He's never offered a vision of an alternative.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

He's built his economy around war and the need to continue war. His power base also might depend on him continuing the war. He now has around him people who are dedicated to and are profiting from because this is an oligarchic corrupt economy and are profiting from the continuation of the war and the construction of and the building of more weapons.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

He's built his economy around war and the need to continue war. His power base also might depend on him continuing the war. He now has around him people who are dedicated to and are profiting from because this is an oligarchic corrupt economy and are profiting from the continuation of the war and the construction of and the building of more weapons.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

He's built his economy around war and the need to continue war. His power base also might depend on him continuing the war. He now has around him people who are dedicated to and are profiting from because this is an oligarchic corrupt economy and are profiting from the continuation of the war and the construction of and the building of more weapons.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

So what Rudy was saying was that this is not a problem that has an instant or easy or short term solution. You know, once you are a leader whose power inside the country and who has all kinds of people dependent on you to continue fighting, it becomes very hard to stop for a lot of reasons. And so that's that was a warning.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Planning for a Techno-Oligarchic Regime

So what Rudy was saying was that this is not a problem that has an instant or easy or short term solution. You know, once you are a leader whose power inside the country and who has all kinds of people dependent on you to continue fighting, it becomes very hard to stop for a lot of reasons. And so that's that was a warning.