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Anne Applebaum

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The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

Still, I mean, that's a choice from, I don't know if you know who I mean by the writer Czesław Miłosz, but he was a Polish writer and novelist. He won the Nobel Prize at some point or another. And he wrote a famous book that was published in the 1950s called Captive Minds. The book was partly about these exact choices. And he was somebody who you know, fought in the resistance against the Nazis.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

Still, I mean, that's a choice from, I don't know if you know who I mean by the writer Czesław Miłosz, but he was a Polish writer and novelist. He won the Nobel Prize at some point or another. And he wrote a famous book that was published in the 1950s called Captive Minds. The book was partly about these exact choices. And he was somebody who you know, fought in the resistance against the Nazis.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

Still, I mean, that's a choice from, I don't know if you know who I mean by the writer Czesław Miłosz, but he was a Polish writer and novelist. He won the Nobel Prize at some point or another. And he wrote a famous book that was published in the 1950s called Captive Minds. The book was partly about these exact choices. And he was somebody who you know, fought in the resistance against the Nazis.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

And then after the war, for a while, he worked for the Polish Communist Foreign Service. I think he was even in the embassy in Washington. And then eventually he quit and broke with the regime. And he wrote this famous book describing these different kinds of choices.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

And then after the war, for a while, he worked for the Polish Communist Foreign Service. I think he was even in the embassy in Washington. And then eventually he quit and broke with the regime. And he wrote this famous book describing these different kinds of choices.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

And then after the war, for a while, he worked for the Polish Communist Foreign Service. I think he was even in the embassy in Washington. And then eventually he quit and broke with the regime. And he wrote this famous book describing these different kinds of choices.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

And this is a book that, you know, felt like the first time I read it, I don't know, 20 years ago, like a piece of ancient history describing these, you know, But these are now these kinds of moral choices will now come back for American civil servants.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

And this is a book that, you know, felt like the first time I read it, I don't know, 20 years ago, like a piece of ancient history describing these, you know, But these are now these kinds of moral choices will now come back for American civil servants.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

And this is a book that, you know, felt like the first time I read it, I don't know, 20 years ago, like a piece of ancient history describing these, you know, But these are now these kinds of moral choices will now come back for American civil servants.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

You know, as you say, you stay in and you try to make sure people aren't harmed and therefore be somehow tarnished by the fact that you've helped the new regime or you quit in a principled way and just get out or you just conform.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

You know, as you say, you stay in and you try to make sure people aren't harmed and therefore be somehow tarnished by the fact that you've helped the new regime or you quit in a principled way and just get out or you just conform.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

You know, as you say, you stay in and you try to make sure people aren't harmed and therefore be somehow tarnished by the fact that you've helped the new regime or you quit in a principled way and just get out or you just conform.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

I agree. Yeah. I agree. No, no, it's much more complicated. And that's why, actually, I don't think there's a formula I can give you. You know, should you stay or should you go or should you collaborate? Because it will depend on what you see happening and whether you can be useful and stop it or whether, you know, your presence is justifying something that is illegal.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

I agree. Yeah. I agree. No, no, it's much more complicated. And that's why, actually, I don't think there's a formula I can give you. You know, should you stay or should you go or should you collaborate? Because it will depend on what you see happening and whether you can be useful and stop it or whether, you know, your presence is justifying something that is illegal.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

I agree. Yeah. I agree. No, no, it's much more complicated. And that's why, actually, I don't think there's a formula I can give you. You know, should you stay or should you go or should you collaborate? Because it will depend on what you see happening and whether you can be useful and stop it or whether, you know, your presence is justifying something that is illegal.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

And that's, you know, hard to say.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

And that's, you know, hard to say.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

And that's, you know, hard to say.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

A piece of the authoritarian playbook is absolutely control of the media and control of the public conversation, establishing the terms of debate, arguing that Elon Musk is bravely doing the work of trimming the federal budget, and that he's a brilliant mind finally focused on government waste, changing the narrative about what he's doing.

The Bulwark Podcast
Anne Applebaum: Outside the Rule of Law

A piece of the authoritarian playbook is absolutely control of the media and control of the public conversation, establishing the terms of debate, arguing that Elon Musk is bravely doing the work of trimming the federal budget, and that he's a brilliant mind finally focused on government waste, changing the narrative about what he's doing.