Anne Applebaum
π€ SpeakerAppearances Over Time
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And us helping Ukraine was just a matter of staving it off.
Instead, what's happened is the Ukrainians have
revolutionarily changed the drone industry.
Hundreds of Ukrainian companies, small ones, big ones, it's a very decentralized grassroots effort.
It's not been directed by one person, have rewritten the rules of war by re-
By redesigning drones and thinking differently about what they do.
They didn't have as much artillery, although they still use that.
They didn't have a huge air force.
But what they have is this ability to do that.
And suddenly the perceptions of them are different.
Suddenly the Gulf states want visits from Ukraine and from Ukrainian military because they want the drone interceptors that Ukraine has to hit.
To hit the Shahids, the kind of drones that Iran and Russia now both use as attack drones.
Suddenly, European companies want to do deals with Ukrainian drone companies.
And there are several big joint venture projects now happening all over Europe as well as inside Ukraine.
And suddenly, Ukraine isn't a victim.
It's a provider of security.
And it's a provider of security despite the fact that the U.S.
cut off supplies to Ukraine.
I believe, hoping that that meant that Ukraine would surrender.
And despite the fact that negotiations fail, the Trump administration-led negotiations, they are enormously helped by Europe, by European money and cooperation with European companies.