Anne Applebaum
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And you want the population to be dulled and repressed. and bored and angry and cynical, and you want them all to stay home. And so we see all that. We've seen this movie before in other countries, I should say. And we're seeing it happen in the United States right now.
And you want the population to be dulled and repressed. and bored and angry and cynical, and you want them all to stay home. And so we see all that. We've seen this movie before in other countries, I should say. And we're seeing it happen in the United States right now.
So this was a topic of my previous book, Twilight of Democracy. I had this experience actually in multiple countries because I didn't know if you would call me conservative or Republican, but I was certainly an anti-communist. And that put me in that camp for many years.
So this was a topic of my previous book, Twilight of Democracy. I had this experience actually in multiple countries because I didn't know if you would call me conservative or Republican, but I was certainly an anti-communist. And that put me in that camp for many years.
So this was a topic of my previous book, Twilight of Democracy. I had this experience actually in multiple countries because I didn't know if you would call me conservative or Republican, but I was certainly an anti-communist. And that put me in that camp for many years.
And my friends in Poland, where I lived part of the time, and in London, where I worked for many years, and in the United States were also anti-communists. came from that world. And I watched that world divide in many places.
And my friends in Poland, where I lived part of the time, and in London, where I worked for many years, and in the United States were also anti-communists. came from that world. And I watched that world divide in many places.
And my friends in Poland, where I lived part of the time, and in London, where I worked for many years, and in the United States were also anti-communists. came from that world. And I watched that world divide in many places.
And it's funny, I thought that in 2016, I'd been through that, 2015 in Poland, 2016 in the US, that I'd been through that, the divisions had resolved themselves, the people who are really fanatical and wound up being pro-Trump or or fanatically pro-Brexit in some cases, that they had sort of faded out of my life.
And it's funny, I thought that in 2016, I'd been through that, 2015 in Poland, 2016 in the US, that I'd been through that, the divisions had resolved themselves, the people who are really fanatical and wound up being pro-Trump or or fanatically pro-Brexit in some cases, that they had sort of faded out of my life.
And it's funny, I thought that in 2016, I'd been through that, 2015 in Poland, 2016 in the US, that I'd been through that, the divisions had resolved themselves, the people who are really fanatical and wound up being pro-Trump or or fanatically pro-Brexit in some cases, that they had sort of faded out of my life.
And then I discovered in this election cycle in 2024 that there were new incidents of it. And there were new friends who were put off by whether it was transgender issues or whether it was economic issues who found themselves wanting to support Trump. And I frankly don't cope very well with it. I know some people are better at separating their political views and their private lives than I am.
And then I discovered in this election cycle in 2024 that there were new incidents of it. And there were new friends who were put off by whether it was transgender issues or whether it was economic issues who found themselves wanting to support Trump. And I frankly don't cope very well with it. I know some people are better at separating their political views and their private lives than I am.
And then I discovered in this election cycle in 2024 that there were new incidents of it. And there were new friends who were put off by whether it was transgender issues or whether it was economic issues who found themselves wanting to support Trump. And I frankly don't cope very well with it. I know some people are better at separating their political views and their private lives than I am.
I know a lot of people have relatives who are on the other side of a divide and they have to live with them because you don't desert your elderly father for something like that. But I have found it difficult because this story comes so close to I want to say values that I hold, but also values that I thought all of us shared.
I know a lot of people have relatives who are on the other side of a divide and they have to live with them because you don't desert your elderly father for something like that. But I have found it difficult because this story comes so close to I want to say values that I hold, but also values that I thought all of us shared.
I know a lot of people have relatives who are on the other side of a divide and they have to live with them because you don't desert your elderly father for something like that. But I have found it difficult because this story comes so close to I want to say values that I hold, but also values that I thought all of us shared.
You know, so, you know, if I have the people who I know and who I consider to be friends, I think of them as people who believe in the rule of law, who support the Constitution, who think, you know, a democratic political system is better, who are bothered by lying in politics. And, you know, it's not that we all share values.
You know, so, you know, if I have the people who I know and who I consider to be friends, I think of them as people who believe in the rule of law, who support the Constitution, who think, you know, a democratic political system is better, who are bothered by lying in politics. And, you know, it's not that we all share values.
You know, so, you know, if I have the people who I know and who I consider to be friends, I think of them as people who believe in the rule of law, who support the Constitution, who think, you know, a democratic political system is better, who are bothered by lying in politics. And, you know, it's not that we all share values.