Anne Applebaum
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Gender studies or women's studies had to be taken out of Hungarian curriculums if you wanted to have any state money. And right now, many U.S. universities are afraid that that same kind of pressure will be applied on them, too. So you can see that many things that were done in Hungary can and will be imitated in the United States.
Gender studies or women's studies had to be taken out of Hungarian curriculums if you wanted to have any state money. And right now, many U.S. universities are afraid that that same kind of pressure will be applied on them, too. So you can see that many things that were done in Hungary can and will be imitated in the United States.
One of the strange thing is, is there was I didn't know what he's talking about. I mean, there is no woke movement in Hungary. I mean, I was wondering about that. No, no, no. He he borrowed the American culture war and used it in Hungary as a as a way of attacking his enemies. It was one of the things that he did that Hungarians found very strange, but seems to have worked.
One of the strange thing is, is there was I didn't know what he's talking about. I mean, there is no woke movement in Hungary. I mean, I was wondering about that. No, no, no. He he borrowed the American culture war and used it in Hungary as a as a way of attacking his enemies. It was one of the things that he did that Hungarians found very strange, but seems to have worked.
One of the strange thing is, is there was I didn't know what he's talking about. I mean, there is no woke movement in Hungary. I mean, I was wondering about that. No, no, no. He he borrowed the American culture war and used it in Hungary as a as a way of attacking his enemies. It was one of the things that he did that Hungarians found very strange, but seems to have worked.
You know, he also ran an anti-immigrant campaign. even though Hungary has very, very few immigrants. So the immigrants were mostly fictitious. I mean, at least in the United States, we have real immigrants. And so there's a real problem, and you can talk about realistically how to solve it. In Hungary, it was mostly fiction. But he used that language.
You know, he also ran an anti-immigrant campaign. even though Hungary has very, very few immigrants. So the immigrants were mostly fictitious. I mean, at least in the United States, we have real immigrants. And so there's a real problem, and you can talk about realistically how to solve it. In Hungary, it was mostly fiction. But he used that language.
You know, he also ran an anti-immigrant campaign. even though Hungary has very, very few immigrants. So the immigrants were mostly fictitious. I mean, at least in the United States, we have real immigrants. And so there's a real problem, and you can talk about realistically how to solve it. In Hungary, it was mostly fiction. But he used that language.
And one of the reasons he did it, I think, was to create an international coalition around himself. He spent a lot of time and invested a lot of money in bringing foreign conservatives from Britain, from the United States, from other countries to Budapest. He created a special specific think tank called the Danube Institute, which was designed to do exactly that.
And one of the reasons he did it, I think, was to create an international coalition around himself. He spent a lot of time and invested a lot of money in bringing foreign conservatives from Britain, from the United States, from other countries to Budapest. He created a special specific think tank called the Danube Institute, which was designed to do exactly that.
And one of the reasons he did it, I think, was to create an international coalition around himself. He spent a lot of time and invested a lot of money in bringing foreign conservatives from Britain, from the United States, from other countries to Budapest. He created a special specific think tank called the Danube Institute, which was designed to do exactly that.
He spent a lot of time projecting Hungarian ideas into other places. And one of his ideas for how he would stay in power, in other words, although he'd broken many rules and although he was in violation of EU standards of judicial independence, one of the ways he thought he would stay in power was by finding allies outside of Hungary.
He spent a lot of time projecting Hungarian ideas into other places. And one of his ideas for how he would stay in power, in other words, although he'd broken many rules and although he was in violation of EU standards of judicial independence, one of the ways he thought he would stay in power was by finding allies outside of Hungary.
He spent a lot of time projecting Hungarian ideas into other places. And one of his ideas for how he would stay in power, in other words, although he'd broken many rules and although he was in violation of EU standards of judicial independence, one of the ways he thought he would stay in power was by finding allies outside of Hungary.
And he found many inside the United States, but also in some other European countries.
And he found many inside the United States, but also in some other European countries.
And he found many inside the United States, but also in some other European countries.
Sure. It's a two-way project. I mean, I think it's also important maybe at this point to stress that the project of destroying your democracy as an elected leader is something that you don't have to be right-wing in order to do. So this is more or less the same kind of playbook that Hugo Chavez used in Venezuela. Right. He also famously sacked civil servants.
Sure. It's a two-way project. I mean, I think it's also important maybe at this point to stress that the project of destroying your democracy as an elected leader is something that you don't have to be right-wing in order to do. So this is more or less the same kind of playbook that Hugo Chavez used in Venezuela. Right. He also famously sacked civil servants.
Sure. It's a two-way project. I mean, I think it's also important maybe at this point to stress that the project of destroying your democracy as an elected leader is something that you don't have to be right-wing in order to do. So this is more or less the same kind of playbook that Hugo Chavez used in Venezuela. Right. He also famously sacked civil servants.