Anne-Marie Green

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I've always been told I'm a really good listener, right? And I maximized that while I was lying.

I've always been told I'm a really good listener, right? And I maximized that while I was lying.

I've always been told I'm a really good listener, right? And I maximized that while I was lying.

Welcome back. In 1980, Stephen Burns was found guilty of second degree murder and he was sentenced to 17 years to life with the possibility of parole. The Salarnos have attended 13 parole hearings for Burns since that time. Erin, I don't think I knew exactly how the parole system works, but 13 sounds like a lot. Why was he up for parole so many times?

Welcome back. In 1980, Stephen Burns was found guilty of second degree murder and he was sentenced to 17 years to life with the possibility of parole. The Salarnos have attended 13 parole hearings for Burns since that time. Erin, I don't think I knew exactly how the parole system works, but 13 sounds like a lot. Why was he up for parole so many times?

Welcome back. In 1980, Stephen Burns was found guilty of second degree murder and he was sentenced to 17 years to life with the possibility of parole. The Salarnos have attended 13 parole hearings for Burns since that time. Erin, I don't think I knew exactly how the parole system works, but 13 sounds like a lot. Why was he up for parole so many times?

So this is really interesting because you interviewed Kevin Anderson, right? who was once a pediatrician and formerly incarcerated with Burns. He now counsels, or he's a counselor, and he worked with Burns in mock hearing sessions to prep him for his last parole hearing. Very interesting. Kevin told you that he felt that Burns did deserve to be released.

So this is really interesting because you interviewed Kevin Anderson, right? who was once a pediatrician and formerly incarcerated with Burns. He now counsels, or he's a counselor, and he worked with Burns in mock hearing sessions to prep him for his last parole hearing. Very interesting. Kevin told you that he felt that Burns did deserve to be released.

So this is really interesting because you interviewed Kevin Anderson, right? who was once a pediatrician and formerly incarcerated with Burns. He now counsels, or he's a counselor, and he worked with Burns in mock hearing sessions to prep him for his last parole hearing. Very interesting. Kevin told you that he felt that Burns did deserve to be released.

How did you connect to Kevin, and how does he feel now?

How did you connect to Kevin, and how does he feel now?

How did you connect to Kevin, and how does he feel now?

Mm-hmm. I want to talk a little bit about filming the day of that most recent parole hearing. This is in 2025. There's this really sort of tender moment with you, Erin, that you're driving in the backseat. You're with Harriet, who's Katina's mom, and you sort of reach out to touch her hand. Can you tell me about what was happening in that moment?

Mm-hmm. I want to talk a little bit about filming the day of that most recent parole hearing. This is in 2025. There's this really sort of tender moment with you, Erin, that you're driving in the backseat. You're with Harriet, who's Katina's mom, and you sort of reach out to touch her hand. Can you tell me about what was happening in that moment?

Mm-hmm. I want to talk a little bit about filming the day of that most recent parole hearing. This is in 2025. There's this really sort of tender moment with you, Erin, that you're driving in the backseat. You're with Harriet, who's Katina's mom, and you sort of reach out to touch her hand. Can you tell me about what was happening in that moment?

But it really lets you know that it never gets easier. You would think by 13, you would, I don't know, know exactly what to expect, know exactly what you want the board members to hear. But it's still like this emotional upheaval to get to go there again. Yes, this was, she said, as tough almost as the first one. Yeah. Wow. Wow.

But it really lets you know that it never gets easier. You would think by 13, you would, I don't know, know exactly what to expect, know exactly what you want the board members to hear. But it's still like this emotional upheaval to get to go there again. Yes, this was, she said, as tough almost as the first one. Yeah. Wow. Wow.

But it really lets you know that it never gets easier. You would think by 13, you would, I don't know, know exactly what to expect, know exactly what you want the board members to hear. But it's still like this emotional upheaval to get to go there again. Yes, this was, she said, as tough almost as the first one. Yeah. Wow. Wow.

In fact, you sat with Harriet and the family in the conference room and watched the parole hearing. 48 hours couldn't bring cameras in there. So it was just kind of you and there with the family. But tell me what that was like.