Anne-Marie Green

And sort of in no time, he offers to tell him where Aaron is, where his body is. You went out there. How difficult would it have been to find that area without Russell's help?

And when you see Gavin in that interrogation room, I mean, he looks remorseful. But then we find out that, like, there's this whole plan that they taught. I mean, they didn't just talk about it. They wrote down plans and alternate plans, all these notes.

And when you see Gavin in that interrogation room, I mean, he looks remorseful. But then we find out that, like, there's this whole plan that they taught. I mean, they didn't just talk about it. They wrote down plans and alternate plans, all these notes.

And when you see Gavin in that interrogation room, I mean, he looks remorseful. But then we find out that, like, there's this whole plan that they taught. I mean, they didn't just talk about it. They wrote down plans and alternate plans, all these notes.

Okay, but I still think it's quite concerning that that would even be a topic of conversation. I do find it interesting that they clearly talked about it often enough, but then they go with this messy... choice, you know, to hit this man in his sleep over and over again. There's blood everywhere, which means there's evidence everywhere. Do we have any idea how long they had been planning this?

Okay, but I still think it's quite concerning that that would even be a topic of conversation. I do find it interesting that they clearly talked about it often enough, but then they go with this messy... choice, you know, to hit this man in his sleep over and over again. There's blood everywhere, which means there's evidence everywhere. Do we have any idea how long they had been planning this?

Okay, but I still think it's quite concerning that that would even be a topic of conversation. I do find it interesting that they clearly talked about it often enough, but then they go with this messy... choice, you know, to hit this man in his sleep over and over again. There's blood everywhere, which means there's evidence everywhere. Do we have any idea how long they had been planning this?

So this was, you know, the portion of the hour that I found myself really wrestling with because this business of corroborating her allegations of abuse is... It's so difficult because we know that abuse victims don't always talk. They're scared to talk. We also know that they could be groomed. And so, you know, it's not like the victim of like a mugging on the street.

So this was, you know, the portion of the hour that I found myself really wrestling with because this business of corroborating her allegations of abuse is... It's so difficult because we know that abuse victims don't always talk. They're scared to talk. We also know that they could be groomed. And so, you know, it's not like the victim of like a mugging on the street.

So this was, you know, the portion of the hour that I found myself really wrestling with because this business of corroborating her allegations of abuse is... It's so difficult because we know that abuse victims don't always talk. They're scared to talk. We also know that they could be groomed. And so, you know, it's not like the victim of like a mugging on the street.

It's a different kind of crime victim. And so I found myself, you know, torn listening to this.

It's a different kind of crime victim. And so I found myself, you know, torn listening to this.

It's a different kind of crime victim. And so I found myself, you know, torn listening to this.

And so while we're talking about this, there's also the business of whether or not Gavin was also motivated by thinking that maybe he was going to be a father.

And so while we're talking about this, there's also the business of whether or not Gavin was also motivated by thinking that maybe he was going to be a father.

And so while we're talking about this, there's also the business of whether or not Gavin was also motivated by thinking that maybe he was going to be a father.

Welcome back. Natalie, we have to talk a little bit more about Russell. I mean, not only did he basically give up all the goods at the beginning of his own interrogation, but then police leave him in the room by himself. He knows he's being recorded. He starts saying all this odd stuff. I want to play some more edited portions that did not make it into the hour.

Welcome back. Natalie, we have to talk a little bit more about Russell. I mean, not only did he basically give up all the goods at the beginning of his own interrogation, but then police leave him in the room by himself. He knows he's being recorded. He starts saying all this odd stuff. I want to play some more edited portions that did not make it into the hour.

Welcome back. Natalie, we have to talk a little bit more about Russell. I mean, not only did he basically give up all the goods at the beginning of his own interrogation, but then police leave him in the room by himself. He knows he's being recorded. He starts saying all this odd stuff. I want to play some more edited portions that did not make it into the hour.

So I'm curious about what investigators, you know, made of this. Did they think he was, this was him? Or he's putting on a character? He's using reverse psychology? Like, what do you make of this?