Anne Morris

That would be such an absurd conclusion to reach.

100%.

I think that's... It's also why I love our dear colleagues Amy Edmondson's work and her recent book, The Right Kind of Wrong.

I think...

you know, directionally, most people have an unhealthy relationship with failure and mistakes.

And so I think this book was such a gift and such a public service.

Such a gift.

And one of the things I love is that she complicated, you know, there are different kinds of mistakes, but we bring the same emotional reaction to even the good mistakes, even the great mistakes that teach us things about ourselves that are on the path to innovation, right?

We need to be out there making a lot of good mistakes in order to make progress as a species, but we have such an aversion to failure that we are getting in our own way.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a really cool book.

We recommend it to everyone.

Yeah.

Okay, Frances, let's say I'm leading a team and I observe someone on my team who is kind of subject to these kinds of thoughts and storylines.

Is there anything I can do as a leader or manager to be helpful to that person?

That's not a good class, actually.

Yeah, and when you have, I think, worked with me on this without maybe even realizing it or labeling it imposter syndrome, what I have appreciated is you are always solving for

Let's look clearly at the situation.

Let's reach an accurate conclusion.