Anne Morris

So Leslie's book is called Sleeping With Your Smartphone, which is super memorable.

Yeah.

So there's also a piece of this that is not just about job design, which I think you're offering a beautiful remedy here.

But what do I do if I've just been pulled in to the reality of being alive right now, which is an always on human experience?

Yeah.

So the phrase I like from her work is intentional disconnection.

Yeah, I think that's exactly right.

Being deeply disciplined about, you know, putting the phone away.

Ariana Huffington has done a lot of thinking on this in her Thrive movement.

Has a little bed for your phone.

She tucks her phone in at night.

I think all of this stuff is really helpful and it's very aligned with...

Jim Lehrer and Tony Schwartz's peak performance literature, where they found that these elite athletes allowed them to truly excel in a sustainable way over time as they brought the same amount of discipline and obsession to their rest and recovery as they did to their training and their nutrition and all these other things we associate with elite performance.

And channeling Leslie's advice, I feel like

Everyone chasing this is honoring our human biology, which is that we were designed to rest and recover, rest and recover, rest and recover, not these marathon work lives that we're trying to live.

That's, I think, what we have to be accountable for.

I think how much agency we actually do have to schedule rest, set some boundaries.

I think the world is also very open to this.

I mean, the whole movement around four-day work week, everyone is in a lot of pain.

Which is terrible.