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He thought more nuclear weapons made Americans more safe. To your point about like, would cyber help all that? He was coming up with all these ideas. His staff was, you know, barraging him with new ideas. And then he watched an ABC television movie called Day After. And his staff told him not to watch it. He did anyways.

He thought more nuclear weapons made Americans more safe. To your point about like, would cyber help all that? He was coming up with all these ideas. His staff was, you know, barraging him with new ideas. And then he watched an ABC television movie called Day After. And his staff told him not to watch it. He did anyways.

He thought more nuclear weapons made Americans more safe. To your point about like, would cyber help all that? He was coming up with all these ideas. His staff was, you know, barraging him with new ideas. And then he watched an ABC television movie called Day After. And his staff told him not to watch it. He did anyways.

And he wrote in his white house journal that he was depressed after watching it, his words. And what did he do? he reached out to Gorbachev because he knew that you had to stop seeing the Soviet Union. It was the Cold War. The Soviet Union, the leader of the Soviet Union was the twirling mustache bad guy to every American. And Reagan changed that. He said that we had to see them as an adversary.

And he wrote in his white house journal that he was depressed after watching it, his words. And what did he do? he reached out to Gorbachev because he knew that you had to stop seeing the Soviet Union. It was the Cold War. The Soviet Union, the leader of the Soviet Union was the twirling mustache bad guy to every American. And Reagan changed that. He said that we had to see them as an adversary.

And he wrote in his white house journal that he was depressed after watching it, his words. And what did he do? he reached out to Gorbachev because he knew that you had to stop seeing the Soviet Union. It was the Cold War. The Soviet Union, the leader of the Soviet Union was the twirling mustache bad guy to every American. And Reagan changed that. He said that we had to see them as an adversary.

Enemies you kill in war, adversaries you work with so that you don't have a war. And that is why the world went... from 70,000 nuclear warheads in 1986 to approximately 12,300 we have today. Nuclear disarmament, I have learned from my colleagues who work in this lane, is the pathway toward getting those arsenals greatly reduced, which makes all of us safer.

Enemies you kill in war, adversaries you work with so that you don't have a war. And that is why the world went... from 70,000 nuclear warheads in 1986 to approximately 12,300 we have today. Nuclear disarmament, I have learned from my colleagues who work in this lane, is the pathway toward getting those arsenals greatly reduced, which makes all of us safer.

Enemies you kill in war, adversaries you work with so that you don't have a war. And that is why the world went... from 70,000 nuclear warheads in 1986 to approximately 12,300 we have today. Nuclear disarmament, I have learned from my colleagues who work in this lane, is the pathway toward getting those arsenals greatly reduced, which makes all of us safer.

If that's based on hope, I will take hope as an option.

If that's based on hope, I will take hope as an option.

If that's based on hope, I will take hope as an option.

Thank you so much for having me. And thank you for your service. We're all on the same team.

Thank you so much for having me. And thank you for your service. We're all on the same team.

Thank you so much for having me. And thank you for your service. We're all on the same team.

We all are on the same team. That's what you really realize. All of us, all 8 billion of us.

We all are on the same team. That's what you really realize. All of us, all 8 billion of us.

We all are on the same team. That's what you really realize. All of us, all 8 billion of us.

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