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Annie Jacobsen

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
2318 total appearances

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

So... Before I say anything on that, let me speak to the question that you asked, right? So you asked me, what's the probability that that is still standing as an idea 12, 13, 14 years later, right? So I continued to work with that source for years afterwards. We talked about this. Look, I mean, his whole family...

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

Yes, predicated on the narrative of the War of the Worlds, right? And the War of the Worlds, when it was a radio program in the United States, made people go crazy. Oh my God, we're being invaded by aliens. Well, The government was always interested in this story, and Joseph Stalin was too. We know that from declassified documents, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

Yes, predicated on the narrative of the War of the Worlds, right? And the War of the Worlds, when it was a radio program in the United States, made people go crazy. Oh my God, we're being invaded by aliens. Well, The government was always interested in this story, and Joseph Stalin was too. We know that from declassified documents, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

Yes, predicated on the narrative of the War of the Worlds, right? And the War of the Worlds, when it was a radio program in the United States, made people go crazy. Oh my God, we're being invaded by aliens. Well, The government was always interested in this story, and Joseph Stalin was too. We know that from declassified documents, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

And so the source told me that the reason for this program and that the real Roswell crash remains were, in fact, it was a โ€“ Black propaganda hoax infiltrated, you know, or rather predicated at this idea that you were going to overwhelm America's early warning air defense system, cause mayhem and maybe be able to attack the United States. That was the plan.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

And so the source told me that the reason for this program and that the real Roswell crash remains were, in fact, it was a โ€“ Black propaganda hoax infiltrated, you know, or rather predicated at this idea that you were going to overwhelm America's early warning air defense system, cause mayhem and maybe be able to attack the United States. That was the plan.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

And so the source told me that the reason for this program and that the real Roswell crash remains were, in fact, it was a โ€“ Black propaganda hoax infiltrated, you know, or rather predicated at this idea that you were going to overwhelm America's early warning air defense system, cause mayhem and maybe be able to attack the United States. That was the plan.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

And Stalin was also messing with the United States, messing with Truman who sort of, you know, turned his back on him, right, at Potsdam. And so this idea was, and the reason that the source is important, and unlike, you know, a lot of people, I saw, I saw this, I saw that, I learned that, was according to the source,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

And Stalin was also messing with the United States, messing with Truman who sort of, you know, turned his back on him, right, at Potsdam. And so this idea was, and the reason that the source is important, and unlike, you know, a lot of people, I saw, I saw this, I saw that, I learned that, was according to the source,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

And Stalin was also messing with the United States, messing with Truman who sort of, you know, turned his back on him, right, at Potsdam. And so this idea was, and the reason that the source is important, and unlike, you know, a lot of people, I saw, I saw this, I saw that, I learned that, was according to the source,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

Once it was determined that this was a hoax and that Stalin was able to get a craft over the United States and it crashed and it had, you know, people inside of it. They were people that were sort of deformed and meant surgically altered to look like aliens.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

Once it was determined that this was a hoax and that Stalin was able to get a craft over the United States and it crashed and it had, you know, people inside of it. They were people that were sort of deformed and meant surgically altered to look like aliens.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

Once it was determined that this was a hoax and that Stalin was able to get a craft over the United States and it crashed and it had, you know, people inside of it. They were people that were sort of deformed and meant surgically altered to look like aliens.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

The United States government decided that it needed to know what on earth that was all about and if it was possible for us to have the same program. This according to the source, right? And so it sounds preposterous. And if it was just someone saying, you might say, well, it's ridiculous. Tell me and get them onto another subject.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

The United States government decided that it needed to know what on earth that was all about and if it was possible for us to have the same program. This according to the source, right? And so it sounds preposterous. And if it was just someone saying, you might say, well, it's ridiculous. Tell me and get them onto another subject.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

The United States government decided that it needed to know what on earth that was all about and if it was possible for us to have the same program. This according to the source, right? And so it sounds preposterous. And if it was just someone saying, you might say, well, it's ridiculous. Tell me and get them onto another subject.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

But the difference was, is this source, who is very well placed and friends with all of the other 75 people, said, He told me this as a confession, a real tearful confession, because what he said is he was involved in the American program to do the same thing, and people died because there were human experiments that went on. I write about this in the last 12 pages of Area 51.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

But the difference was, is this source, who is very well placed and friends with all of the other 75 people, said, He told me this as a confession, a real tearful confession, because what he said is he was involved in the American program to do the same thing, and people died because there were human experiments that went on. I write about this in the last 12 pages of Area 51.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

But the difference was, is this source, who is very well placed and friends with all of the other 75 people, said, He told me this as a confession, a real tearful confession, because what he said is he was involved in the American program to do the same thing, and people died because there were human experiments that went on. I write about this in the last 12 pages of Area 51.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#420 โ€“ Annie Jacobsen: Nuclear War, CIA, KGB, Aliens, Area 51, Roswell & Secrecy

It was an explosive revelation, and I felt very confident in writing this because the source wanted it written. Why? Because he said, I'm dedicated to my country. I know about being committed to national security. And this kind of thing must never happen. And if you give people too much power, they will take advantage of it. And he wanted it on the record.