Annie Jacobsen
π€ SpeakerAppearances Over Time
Podcast Appearances
They needed to be sheep dipped over to the CIA so they could do things that defied the law. OK, so you can see how these all entwine and you become more and more informed and you go, aha. Right. So that's how Title 50 worked. So the night of that mission, it was a CIA mission because the CIA is allowed to go into Pakistan and kill someone and the military can't.
They needed to be sheep dipped over to the CIA so they could do things that defied the law. OK, so you can see how these all entwine and you become more and more informed and you go, aha. Right. So that's how Title 50 worked. So the night of that mission, it was a CIA mission because the CIA is allowed to go into Pakistan and kill someone and the military can't.
And if you look at their uniforms that they were wearing, and now that you know this, you'll see there's no nomenclature on them. So they're just meant to be... Completely untraceable. Were they to be shot down and captured? It's like, wait, who are these guys? Oh, a bunch of rogue guys. Okay.
And if you look at their uniforms that they were wearing, and now that you know this, you'll see there's no nomenclature on them. So they're just meant to be... Completely untraceable. Were they to be shot down and captured? It's like, wait, who are these guys? Oh, a bunch of rogue guys. Okay.
And if you look at their uniforms that they were wearing, and now that you know this, you'll see there's no nomenclature on them. So they're just meant to be... Completely untraceable. Were they to be shot down and captured? It's like, wait, who are these guys? Oh, a bunch of rogue guys. Okay.
And this goes back, the origin story of all that is in Vietnam with Mac V. Sog and these cross-border operations that I chronicle. in Surprise Kill Vanish, which still amaze me to this day, right? I mean, SOG missions, they called it suicide on the ground because that's what it was. And these guys had no identifiable, nothing. I mean, they were essentially in pajamas, right?
And this goes back, the origin story of all that is in Vietnam with Mac V. Sog and these cross-border operations that I chronicle. in Surprise Kill Vanish, which still amaze me to this day, right? I mean, SOG missions, they called it suicide on the ground because that's what it was. And these guys had no identifiable, nothing. I mean, they were essentially in pajamas, right?
And this goes back, the origin story of all that is in Vietnam with Mac V. Sog and these cross-border operations that I chronicle. in Surprise Kill Vanish, which still amaze me to this day, right? I mean, SOG missions, they called it suicide on the ground because that's what it was. And these guys had no identifiable, nothing. I mean, they were essentially in pajamas, right?
Even their weapons were specially designed by the CIA to have no serial numbers, no nothing. So if they were captured and they became POWs, I don't know who these guys are.
Even their weapons were specially designed by the CIA to have no serial numbers, no nothing. So if they were captured and they became POWs, I don't know who these guys are.
Even their weapons were specially designed by the CIA to have no serial numbers, no nothing. So if they were captured and they became POWs, I don't know who these guys are.
I mean, again, I try to remain agnostic on the policy part of it and just report the operator's perspective, right? Because this is what people do and this is what people are asked to do. And it depends on the individual. I mean, Billy Wah went on a lot of those missions. I mean, the saying is like, oh, Billy Wah, he killed more people than cancer, right?
I mean, again, I try to remain agnostic on the policy part of it and just report the operator's perspective, right? Because this is what people do and this is what people are asked to do. And it depends on the individual. I mean, Billy Wah went on a lot of those missions. I mean, the saying is like, oh, Billy Wah, he killed more people than cancer, right?
I mean, again, I try to remain agnostic on the policy part of it and just report the operator's perspective, right? Because this is what people do and this is what people are asked to do. And it depends on the individual. I mean, Billy Wah went on a lot of those missions. I mean, the saying is like, oh, Billy Wah, he killed more people than cancer, right?
Did Billy Wah ever tell me about direct assassinations? No, because they're all classified, right? Did he tell me about some failed ones? Yes. I'll give you an example. It's really interesting. He would show me these PowerPoints that were just fantastic. You know, late in his life, he was constantly being asked to go up to Fort Bragg and lecture to the young soldiers.
Did Billy Wah ever tell me about direct assassinations? No, because they're all classified, right? Did he tell me about some failed ones? Yes. I'll give you an example. It's really interesting. He would show me these PowerPoints that were just fantastic. You know, late in his life, he was constantly being asked to go up to Fort Bragg and lecture to the young soldiers.
Did Billy Wah ever tell me about direct assassinations? No, because they're all classified, right? Did he tell me about some failed ones? Yes. I'll give you an example. It's really interesting. He would show me these PowerPoints that were just fantastic. You know, late in his life, he was constantly being asked to go up to Fort Bragg and lecture to the young soldiers.
Everybody loved him, you know. And he would drive all night to get there and he would create these PowerPoints and then he would show me the PowerPoints and he would all unclassified. But at one point when Hugo Chavez was in power, Billy Waugh was kind of asked, that's how it works, of like, if you had to think about doing something, what would it look like? Let's just say hypothetically.
Everybody loved him, you know. And he would drive all night to get there and he would create these PowerPoints and then he would show me the PowerPoints and he would all unclassified. But at one point when Hugo Chavez was in power, Billy Waugh was kind of asked, that's how it works, of like, if you had to think about doing something, what would it look like? Let's just say hypothetically.
Everybody loved him, you know. And he would drive all night to get there and he would create these PowerPoints and then he would show me the PowerPoints and he would all unclassified. But at one point when Hugo Chavez was in power, Billy Waugh was kind of asked, that's how it works, of like, if you had to think about doing something, what would it look like? Let's just say hypothetically.