Annie Jacobsen

So he took me through this PowerPoint that never happened, whereby he and a group of operators, agency operators, were going to halo jump in to the palace and grab Chavez and probably kill him because he wouldn't allow himself to be captured. And by the way, halo jumping, for those of listeners who don't know, high altitude, low opening, right? So you jump out of an aircraft.

So he took me through this PowerPoint that never happened, whereby he and a group of operators, agency operators, were going to halo jump in to the palace and grab Chavez and probably kill him because he wouldn't allow himself to be captured. And by the way, halo jumping, for those of listeners who don't know, high altitude, low opening, right? So you jump out of an aircraft.

So he took me through this PowerPoint that never happened, whereby he and a group of operators, agency operators, were going to halo jump in to the palace and grab Chavez and probably kill him because he wouldn't allow himself to be captured. And by the way, halo jumping, for those of listeners who don't know, high altitude, low opening, right? So you jump out of an aircraft.

And you go down like a pencil until you're really low to the deck, like 1,000 feet. You pull your parachute cord, and that way you're not picked up on radar. And you're also not traceable when you get to the ground because it's so fast. Billy Wah took the second halo jump in history into a war theater in Laos during the Vietnam War, right? So he's like this famous halo jumper, right?

And you go down like a pencil until you're really low to the deck, like 1,000 feet. You pull your parachute cord, and that way you're not picked up on radar. And you're also not traceable when you get to the ground because it's so fast. Billy Wah took the second halo jump in history into a war theater in Laos during the Vietnam War, right? So he's like this famous halo jumper, right?

And you go down like a pencil until you're really low to the deck, like 1,000 feet. You pull your parachute cord, and that way you're not picked up on radar. And you're also not traceable when you get to the ground because it's so fast. Billy Wah took the second halo jump in history into a war theater in Laos during the Vietnam War, right? So he's like this famous halo jumper, right?

So he and the team were going to go in, grab Chavez, and he said to me a very interesting – thing that was kind of a one moment in time where I saw a different side of Billy Wah, where he said, I'm so glad we didn't do that, even though I really wanted to at the time. Because can you imagine that country's problems where it is now? Can you imagine how we would have been blamed?

So he and the team were going to go in, grab Chavez, and he said to me a very interesting – thing that was kind of a one moment in time where I saw a different side of Billy Wah, where he said, I'm so glad we didn't do that, even though I really wanted to at the time. Because can you imagine that country's problems where it is now? Can you imagine how we would have been blamed?

So he and the team were going to go in, grab Chavez, and he said to me a very interesting – thing that was kind of a one moment in time where I saw a different side of Billy Wah, where he said, I'm so glad we didn't do that, even though I really wanted to at the time. Because can you imagine that country's problems where it is now? Can you imagine how we would have been blamed?

And it was an interesting, rare moment for Billy Wah to comment on the bigger picture that you're asking me about, right? I think pretty much the operators I know, they just stick to the mission.

And it was an interesting, rare moment for Billy Wah to comment on the bigger picture that you're asking me about, right? I think pretty much the operators I know, they just stick to the mission.

And it was an interesting, rare moment for Billy Wah to comment on the bigger picture that you're asking me about, right? I think pretty much the operators I know, they just stick to the mission.

I suppose that just depends, right? Here's another insightful thing Billy Wall said to me, and I'm answering the question around because I don't know. Because again, I never had anyone say to me, Here's how it went down, right? Because you can't, that would be, first of all, those are classified. So I'm never going to receive classified information.

I suppose that just depends, right? Here's another insightful thing Billy Wall said to me, and I'm answering the question around because I don't know. Because again, I never had anyone say to me, Here's how it went down, right? Because you can't, that would be, first of all, those are classified. So I'm never going to receive classified information.

I suppose that just depends, right? Here's another insightful thing Billy Wall said to me, and I'm answering the question around because I don't know. Because again, I never had anyone say to me, Here's how it went down, right? Because you can't, that would be, first of all, those are classified. So I'm never going to receive classified information.

I did hear a lot about reconnaissance missions when people would be in charge of, you have to be able to, what's called make book on the target before, right? And making book on the target means photographing them to really, then that gets run up the chain of command to make sure this is really Emad Mugnia we're about to kill, right?

I did hear a lot about reconnaissance missions when people would be in charge of, you have to be able to, what's called make book on the target before, right? And making book on the target means photographing them to really, then that gets run up the chain of command to make sure this is really Emad Mugnia we're about to kill, right?

I did hear a lot about reconnaissance missions when people would be in charge of, you have to be able to, what's called make book on the target before, right? And making book on the target means photographing them to really, then that gets run up the chain of command to make sure this is really Emad Mugnia we're about to kill, right?

But I once asked Billy when I was trying to get the question, you know, and he wouldn't answer it. And I said, so there's another person in my book named Rick Prado, who's also like a legendary agency guy. And so, you know, he's like 20 years younger than Billy. And I said... Billy, if you and Rick had to kill each other, like who would win, right?

But I once asked Billy when I was trying to get the question, you know, and he wouldn't answer it. And I said, so there's another person in my book named Rick Prado, who's also like a legendary agency guy. And so, you know, he's like 20 years younger than Billy. And I said... Billy, if you and Rick had to kill each other, like who would win, right?