Annie Jacobsen

That's the real problem.

Well, exactly.

And also you have – man has to go underground.

I take you through what this is like in detail because it's so bizarre to think about that you have a man-made problem, nuclear weapons.

And yet people are not paying attention to the fact that whatever is created by man essentially would theoretically have a man-made solution.

Like there is a solution to the nuclear weapons threat.

Although the results of a nuclear war would be very much like an asteroid striking the United States or the world anywhere.

There's a solution to nuclear war.

There's a solution called disarmament.

We have a total of 12,200 and some odd nuclear weapons.

Absolutely.

But, you know, things happen in sort of inches and feet.

They don't have to happen overnight.

Once upon a time, there were 70,000 nuclear warheads in 1986.

Oh, so we're making progress.

We are making progress.

Well, we were making progress until this past year.

And these treaties are all, you know, at risk and people are just very busy seeing everybody else as the enemy.

Well, you know, Putin's saying he's not going to be involved in the treaty anymore.

Donald Trump said he pulled us out of the treaty.