Annie Jacobsen

I mean, I don't think you can ever forget that the Department of Homeland Security, which, by the way, was like the big issue in the United States, you know, just a couple weeks ago.

ICE, DHS, Department of Homeland Security, for those of the younger generation, did not exist before 9-11.

It was an absolute byproduct of America being attacked.

I would change the word from cover to opportunity because I do think that's the way the systems work inside the executive branch.

And I think that there is always an extremely powerful hidden hand that has to do with weapons developers.

Which is my point about, I think, the real place to look at this is surveillance in the United States.

I mean I think it's a convenient narrative to position one giant AI company as somehow moral because it went up against the defense department and another one not because it didn't.

Because like you said in there, Anthropic was part and parcel to the Maduro raid.

So I don't believe that corporations, certainly AI corporations –

you know, are sitting around with a violin for American surveillance.

I just don't, I mean, American sort of general well-being.

No, of course not.

And I think that narrative is dangerous.

Bingo.

I mean, that's Skynet.

And so these are major concerns.

Many of our former generals who were heads of cyber and NSA are on the boards of these companies.

I've had conversations with a number of them about this.

I think smart people and learned people are aware of this is an absolute cliffhanger precipice.

I do think that North Korea is very dangerous.