Annie Jacobsen

It is interesting from a sort of philosophical point of view, or all of us looking at our own humanity, when you think an older person reflects differently upon what it was like to be there and advise the president than the younger person, the younger self.

It is interesting from a sort of philosophical point of view, or all of us looking at our own humanity, when you think an older person reflects differently upon what it was like to be there and advise the president than the younger person, the younger self.

So it's so interesting that you speak of systems of systems because that is the sort of it's a big machine. And when you can really realize how many different components of the system there are, that in and of itself is astonishing. And they are all so important. When I learned from interviewing a STRATCOM commander, there are 150,000 individuals at the ready beneath him in the chain of command.

So it's so interesting that you speak of systems of systems because that is the sort of it's a big machine. And when you can really realize how many different components of the system there are, that in and of itself is astonishing. And they are all so important. When I learned from interviewing a STRATCOM commander, there are 150,000 individuals at the ready beneath him in the chain of command.

So it's so interesting that you speak of systems of systems because that is the sort of it's a big machine. And when you can really realize how many different components of the system there are, that in and of itself is astonishing. And they are all so important. When I learned from interviewing a STRATCOM commander, there are 150,000 individuals at the ready beneath him in the chain of command.

That is just a stunning number that I can almost guarantee Americans don't know because I certainly didn't know it. And writing this book was just learning one fact after the next. This is coming from someone who has studied, you know, war and weapons all her career. And yet every component of nuclear war literally stunned me.

That is just a stunning number that I can almost guarantee Americans don't know because I certainly didn't know it. And writing this book was just learning one fact after the next. This is coming from someone who has studied, you know, war and weapons all her career. And yet every component of nuclear war literally stunned me.

That is just a stunning number that I can almost guarantee Americans don't know because I certainly didn't know it. And writing this book was just learning one fact after the next. This is coming from someone who has studied, you know, war and weapons all her career. And yet every component of nuclear war literally stunned me.

But let's break it up for listeners into two different parts because I think they're important here. One is what happens before nuclear. And that to Amy's question, I thought when you were asking about like leaders and how important is it, I thought of JFK because the Cuban Missile Crisis is so well known. Many amazing books have been written about it.

But let's break it up for listeners into two different parts because I think they're important here. One is what happens before nuclear. And that to Amy's question, I thought when you were asking about like leaders and how important is it, I thought of JFK because the Cuban Missile Crisis is so well known. Many amazing books have been written about it.

But let's break it up for listeners into two different parts because I think they're important here. One is what happens before nuclear. And that to Amy's question, I thought when you were asking about like leaders and how important is it, I thought of JFK because the Cuban Missile Crisis is so well known. Many amazing books have been written about it.

And of course, that was a situation of the old cooler heads prevailed because of a president who could lead with extraordinary foresight, despite having generals that were pushing him, you know, toward nuclear launch. But that's all before. And I didn't want to write that book or rewrite that book.

And of course, that was a situation of the old cooler heads prevailed because of a president who could lead with extraordinary foresight, despite having generals that were pushing him, you know, toward nuclear launch. But that's all before. And I didn't want to write that book or rewrite that book.

And of course, that was a situation of the old cooler heads prevailed because of a president who could lead with extraordinary foresight, despite having generals that were pushing him, you know, toward nuclear launch. But that's all before. And I didn't want to write that book or rewrite that book.

I wanted to write a book that was a speculative scenario based essentially on what you guys do, on what wargaming, nuclear wargaming, those jealously guarded secrets inside the Pentagon that happen with astonishing regularity, I learned. And so I take the reader from nuclear launch to nuclear winter. And in essence... To answer your specific question, redundancy at that point doesn't matter.

I wanted to write a book that was a speculative scenario based essentially on what you guys do, on what wargaming, nuclear wargaming, those jealously guarded secrets inside the Pentagon that happen with astonishing regularity, I learned. And so I take the reader from nuclear launch to nuclear winter. And in essence... To answer your specific question, redundancy at that point doesn't matter.

I wanted to write a book that was a speculative scenario based essentially on what you guys do, on what wargaming, nuclear wargaming, those jealously guarded secrets inside the Pentagon that happen with astonishing regularity, I learned. And so I take the reader from nuclear launch to nuclear winter. And in essence... To answer your specific question, redundancy at that point doesn't matter.

That's what's so astonishing, I think, about reading the book. Once nuclear war begins, it only ends in nuclear annihilation. Everyone at the Pentagon knows that. Everyone knows that. No one has said to me, you know what, Annie, I'm going to change my opinion and take that back.

That's what's so astonishing, I think, about reading the book. Once nuclear war begins, it only ends in nuclear annihilation. Everyone at the Pentagon knows that. Everyone knows that. No one has said to me, you know what, Annie, I'm going to change my opinion and take that back.

That's what's so astonishing, I think, about reading the book. Once nuclear war begins, it only ends in nuclear annihilation. Everyone at the Pentagon knows that. Everyone knows that. No one has said to me, you know what, Annie, I'm going to change my opinion and take that back.