Annie Jacobsen

Any president you ever admired or part of their actions that you admired?

Today.

I mean, that speaking to the idea that conspiracies have become popular or rather, you know, thinking that there is a conspiracy behind things.

it's so astonishing that those files are not released after all this time.

It's almost impossible not to see, not to ask what is behind that veil.

What is so important to cover up?

And it does make me think that whatever it is, is such a poor reflection on America that the president therefore agrees, okay, we won't do that.

From all of the different sources I spoke to over the decades, I always get the sense that it was a nation state.

And that nation state happens to be nuclear armed.

And even today, people would demand consequences.

No, but I know about him from Tom O'Neill in the Chaos book, which is so awesome.

There was certainly not the same degree of an alert and knowledgeable citizenry in the 50s and 60s.

Everyone just took everything at face value.

And it is remarkable as a historian, and Tom O'Neill's work also speaks of that, to go back in time and look at that.

Part of just as interesting, perhaps, as the facts of the matter, like the Warren Commission, is to say,

How did everyone simply accept this as fact?

But then I think it's valuable to have the old look in the mirror moment and go, what is it today that we're not looking at?

What is it today that will be in 10, 20, 30 years from now?

I can't believe they were all falling for that concept.

That's the old you can't fix what you can't face concept.