Annie Jacobsen

Why would people would rather have you listening to the radio and watching you get your news from CNN?

On some level, doesn't that empower people?

Because they see those victories and they become more curious and they become more thoughtful in their –

In their way in which they're going to examine information that gets presented to them in the future?

My point is that the pushback is sometimes as powerful as the attempt to censor.

Meaning, in other words, like if you look at China and you look at what Mao did with, you know, all like just completely obliterating access to information.

And in a communist environment, nothing's changed, and that's tragic for everyone living there.

But even if I think of the Hunter Biden story, my own self, who was maybe busy with something, I can't remember what, and didn't get involved in that then, I read about it now and learn from it and say, wow, that's really interesting that that happened.

So I think that...

Maybe I believe – I'm too much of an optimist in that regard that I think when things come to light, they become powerful when you shine the light on it.

So it doesn't necessarily – and I also maybe am more of a pragmatist, know that the government is always up to something.

This side – it's why I don't write about politics.

I always take essentially with a grain of salt what one side is saying about the other side that consider themselves adversaries because they're just going to be completely biased.

It's why I like having discussions with so many different kinds of people on all different kinds of the aisle.

What a brain invigorator to be able to sit with someone that I might not agree with.

I might not like who they vote for.

But their ideas are interesting.

Even if nothing other than we all were chimps once upon a time.

Yes, but you could also let everybody talk around the dinner table.

Yeah, but they're not going to do that.