Annie Jacobsen

There was one point in 1957, Joe, we were making 5,000.

No, we were making five nuclear weapons a day, almost 2,000 in one year.

That's so crazy.

That is so – I mean the – and so of course Russia was doing the same or aspired to do the same.

And so there were no guardrails and the sort of elixir being sold was we need this.

More nuclear weapons will make us more safe.

Isn't that also a message for today of, okay, so where are the guardrails on AI?

And I think part of that comes from the fact that you say AI and most people, for good reason, don't really know precisely what that means.

So I believe that the kind of conversations we're having are

are all part of it because half the people listening to this or watching this will go Google what is AI, what it really is, and then find out it's machine learning.

So you begin to have more literacy in your own being and more comfort to be able to talk about it and have a voice about it.

Thinking back to the earlier part of this conversation with our hunter-gatherer ancestors with the – the argument is was the spear and the arrowhead, was that – did that come out of man's imagination for warfare or to make it easier to kill the wild beast or the woolly mammoth?

It was both.

I think it was both.

Both.

So the analogy –

Where will the AI go with that?

Because you're talking about all these very healthy ideas and solutions.

But just because of what I write about and who I speak to, I cannot help but see the powerful defense industry taking the pole position and making it secret.

in terms of which direction AI is really going to accelerate.