Annie Jacobsen
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first heard Mar 2024
last heard 4 Mar
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That no matter if a hunter is out hunting,
That's part of a hunter-gatherer tribal environment.
And he comes across another person.
Obviously, that person is either threatening or that person is someone to team up with against the greater threat.
And the anthropologists do not know why it is that some people...
interpret this person with suspicion and then might kill him and others would interpret that person as a teammate.
And so if we don't know how human, you know, is it genetics?
Like how do people either fall on one of those two sides?
But what we do know is that people can learn to think differently.
You talk with half your guests on the podcast about this.
People can be trained, not, you know, propagandized, but people can learn to think differently.
So if you're me, who is a hopeful person and wants to see the positive side of even my dark reporting, because that's a better choice for me and for my family.
I train myself to find, if you will, the silver lining, or rather, if that's too Pollyannish, to find the way in which, how do I look at the person coming at me as someone who could be on my team or even an opponent, but not an enemy that I would have to kill?
Thank you so much for having me.
Mm-hmm. Okay, multiple questions. I mean, first of all, it's so great to be here with two of you who are, as you said, have done tabletop exercises like this. You guys are what I would call the real inside baseball players.
And what's remarkable about that, and it's so exciting that we get to talk about this, but I'm going to preface it by saying that, you know, as a journalist and an author, and of course, this is not my first rodeo. This is my seventh book. I always write about, you know.
Yeah.
Yes. My job is to be able to present information to we, the people, of which I am one. And so when I get these words of high praise from individuals like you, it's extraordinarily gratifying because it allows me to recognize I am doing my job, which is take the information from those in the know, the alpha people, if you will, right?
The highest ranking position people all the way and all kinds of people throughout the chain of command, and then be able to relay that information to those of us folks that really want to understand this threat that impacts all of us. As you know, spoiler alert, the end of my book, 5 billion people are dead. And so we should know, and we want to know, and hopefully we do know.
And I've been overwhelmed by people reading this book. It's been extraordinarily well-read. And not only that, in 28 countries around the world, people saying, you know, I had no idea. Then they say, now I know. So to answer your question specifically, I don't think I would do anything differently, and we can dig into that, but I'll tell you precisely why.
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