Annie Jacobsen

There's a solution called disarmament.

We have a total of 12,200 and some odd nuclear weapons.

Absolutely.

But, you know, things happen in sort of inches and feet.

They don't have to happen overnight.

Once upon a time, there were 70,000 nuclear warheads in 1986.

Oh, so we're making progress.

We are making progress.

Well, we were making progress until this past year.

And these treaties are all, you know, at risk and people are just very busy seeing everybody else as the enemy.

Well, you know, Putin's saying he's not going to be involved in the treaty anymore.

Donald Trump said he pulled us out of the treaty.

So there's like leaders are threatening this is all on the table right now.

It could and should be looked at.

But do you remember back when we were in high school when Reagan and Gorbachev got together for the Reykjavik summit?

Remember that?

That was the beginning of a movement.

poured disarmament.

That was the beginning of this idea of, wait a minute, 70,000 nuclear weapons is just an accident waiting to happen.

And so we are at 12,500 today because of that.