Annie Jacobsen

Now, originally, it was very paw-pawed by the Defense Department.

It was said, this is Soviet propaganda.

This is never going to happen.

And the computer systems and climate modeling have changed to the degree where...

We can see not only is nuclear winter what was thought in the 80s, it's actually much worse.

So whereby originally they thought there would be a year of ice sheets across large bodies of water from Iowa to Ukraine, across the mid-latitudes of the globe.

Now that could be up to seven or ten years.

So think about that much frozen land for that long.

You have the death of agriculture.

You have, like you are talking about, you have the complete disruption of the ability for people to grow food and eat food.

And so man reverts to his hunter-gatherer state.

And this is all – But hunting and gathering what?

That's the real problem.

Well, exactly.

And also you have – man has to go underground.

I take you through what this is like in detail because it's so bizarre to think about that you have a man-made problem, nuclear weapons.

And yet people are not paying attention to the fact that whatever is created by man essentially would theoretically have a man-made solution.

Like there is a solution to the nuclear weapons threat.

Although the results of a nuclear war would be very much like an asteroid striking the United States or the world anywhere.

There's a solution to nuclear war.