Annie Jacobsen

encourage anyone to read his stuff about it because he has a much sort of, you know, bird's eye view of it all about why that's so terrifying to people.

So the narratives, to my eye, the narratives of nuclear, of, you know, alien ships hovering over nuclear bases, I don't, I have never spoken to a firsthand witness who experienced that.

But I would see that in terms of the narrative of Carl Jung.

Part of the... I don't know if he went that far.

I think he left a lot more open to interpretation.

I think his...

My read of his analogy was more like the way that hundreds of years ago or thousands of years ago when Christianity was first being developed, people saw existential threats as part of the narrative of God.

So my read of Carl Jung is that he's saying now in the mechanized modern world, the existential threats, the sort of damnation is tied to machines, which is tied to, you know, is easily tied to little machines or big machines from outer space.

That was his take on it, which I think is interesting.

That is an interesting narrative too and that sort of – but again, that's a bit to my eye like the deus ex machina idea that God would intervene and save the faithful and – or rather the – in this situation, it might be that he's going to save those people that are paying attention.

I get into that in the end of the book.

So I write the book in essentially three acts, like the first 24 minutes, the next 24 minutes, the last 24 minutes, and then nuclear winter.

So nuclear winter is very well described by a fellow called Professor Brian Toon, who I interview in the book.

He was

One of the original five authors of... Do you remember the nuclear winter theory of our sort of high school years?

Yes.

Right?

So that was... Carl Sagan was the lead author on the paper.

Toon was the young student.

And he's dedicated decades to looking at nuclear winter.