Annie Jacobsen

You might go off on a riff about obesity.

I might go off on a riff about literacy.

But the brain is being stimulated.

The brain is being curious.

And then that carries over to your own life.

Right.

And the other argument to that, your friend with the flip phone, I've heard this director, Christopher Nolan, who made the Oppenheimer movie, talk about this, where he says he believes that the experience of sitting in the waiting room is what he wants.

So I think there's a very few rarefied people that can actually, the way they're built, the way they're engineered, the way they are, the way they've become, allows for them to sit in the waiting room and be super interested in observing.

Maybe you're an elite director to do that.

But most people are going to be restless, irritable, and discontent.

And therefore the podcast, the audio book,

It is, but it's also a way to consume new information.

You don't want the stimulus.

Okay, and that's the quote from him.

Okay, so I remember when my son Jet is now 19, and he was probably nine.

Jet Jacobson.

I like it.

My other son's Finley Jacobson.

Sounds like a fucking fighter pilot.

Jet Jacobson.