Annie Jacobsen

And so they kept all this information and they doled it out according to their line of thinking.

And then the printing press came along and the hoi polloi could read.

That began, really...

The birth of mass populations being able to read, which is where we are today.

And sometimes I like think about James Burke and I think about that as an analogy to where we are today, that what is going on is just an upheaval like the printing press in terms of making a lot more people more literate.

And so maybe it's not even – I mean I used to think of literacy and its true definition is actually reading.

And I remember when audiobooks came out, and I read all my own audiobooks.

And I originally thought that listening to me read my own book was somehow you wouldn't have the same experience of reading it yourself.

And then I realized I was putting my standard.

I actually enjoy reading.

I like to read.

That's the way I'm wired.

I can't do math, but I can read.

And now I realize with the amount of people that listen to my audiobooks, listen to your podcast, that maybe is a new 21st century form of literacy.

which really makes my head go in interesting places because language is very different than reading, you know, communicating.

Yes.

And it's digesting the information.

And so where I think the social media parts of it are dangerous is it's, like you said, it's too fast, too disparate.

You go from one thing to the next thing, and that's the way it's all set up.

Whereas a longer form podcast, you're asking people to stay with you with your ideas.