Annie Jacobsen

Such a great image.

His idea that the nuclear arms race was apes on a treadmill, that we and the Russians were just slavish, you know, like essentially ignorant beasts just slaving away on this treadmill trying to win, not even realizing there is no winner.

And, you know, it was a famous article.

Everybody wrote about it and, I mean, spoke about it in, you know, D.C.

and then it disappeared.

Well, the anecdote comes from recently a group of scientists wanted to try to answer the question that we're talking about, like, how did…

Apes go from bipedal or how did we – from knuckle walking to being bipedal.

How did that happen?

We still don't know why.

And they were trying to figure out if it had to do with energy consumption.

So they outfitted apes.

They put them on a treadmill.

They outfitted them with oxygen masks.

And then they had humans doing the same thing.

And they were measuring –

you know, energy levels.

And during this experiment, and they kept making them do it over and over again, the humans and the apes on the treadmills.

And during one of the experiments, one of the apes was basically like, screw this, I'm not doing this anymore.

He pushed the button and got off.

And the anecdote to nuclear war is if apes can figure out how to get off the