Annie Karni

The American Bar Association.

The American Bar Association.

Wait, should I intuit that you have not gotten this meeting?

Wait, should I intuit that you have not gotten this meeting?

Forgive me for asking this. Is it strange for you to have to essentially plead through intermediaries, whether perhaps in this moment we are one of them, to get a couple of moments one-on-one with the president?

Forgive me for asking this. Is it strange for you to have to essentially plead through intermediaries, whether perhaps in this moment we are one of them, to get a couple of moments one-on-one with the president?

So how do you understand Senator Biden's seeming reluctance to to engage this? He's not taking the meeting with you. He's not.

So how do you understand Senator Biden's seeming reluctance to to engage this? He's not taking the meeting with you. He's not.

In a photo line.

In a photo line.

Do you think, Senator, that perhaps... The thing that may be holding him, and if not him, those around him, up here, is their fear that this won't survive the inevitable legal challenge that will come based on the 1982 deadline. That they just think that this is futile and symbolic.

Do you think, Senator, that perhaps... The thing that may be holding him, and if not him, those around him, up here, is their fear that this won't survive the inevitable legal challenge that will come based on the 1982 deadline. That they just think that this is futile and symbolic.

You just mentioned the Supreme Court. You no doubt know that one of the great liberal lions of the Supreme Court, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, said in 2020 that she believed that as much as the world, as the country needed the ERA... that the best way to do it, the right way to do it, was to start over.

You just mentioned the Supreme Court. You no doubt know that one of the great liberal lions of the Supreme Court, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, said in 2020 that she believed that as much as the world, as the country needed the ERA... that the best way to do it, the right way to do it, was to start over.

She said, and this is her quote, I would like to see a new beginning, rather than an effort to just take the current legislation, having missed the 1982 deadline in her mind, and make it law now. And so what do you say to a towering legal figure and theoretical ally like that saying, no, I don't think you can do this. I think you have to go back to the beginning.

She said, and this is her quote, I would like to see a new beginning, rather than an effort to just take the current legislation, having missed the 1982 deadline in her mind, and make it law now. And so what do you say to a towering legal figure and theoretical ally like that saying, no, I don't think you can do this. I think you have to go back to the beginning.

You have to do this whole thing all over again.

You have to do this whole thing all over again.

Even, Senator, if you were to get President Biden to do this, a big if, you know that you face one last meaningful obstacle. Because just a couple of days ago, the archivist came out, probably in response to your outspoken efforts here, and said— I will not do this. I will not make the Equal Rights Amendment, the 28th Amendment to the Constitution, because in her legal analysis...

Even, Senator, if you were to get President Biden to do this, a big if, you know that you face one last meaningful obstacle. Because just a couple of days ago, the archivist came out, probably in response to your outspoken efforts here, and said— I will not do this. I will not make the Equal Rights Amendment, the 28th Amendment to the Constitution, because in her legal analysis...