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Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

The scholars made a particular point of addressing Koresh's teachings about the seven seals, which they identified as being particularly important.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

Koresh's preaching over the previous weeks had made it clear that he believed the fifth seal had been opened when the ATF had attempted to raid his compound.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

He had phoned a radio station on the night of February 28 and told the station manager, ''We are now in the fifth seal.''

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

The station manager hadn't understood what he'd meant, but Arnold and Tabor knew exactly what it signified.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

In the Book of Revelation, when the fifth seal is opened, its writer John sees the souls of martyred Christians who were persecuted and killed due to their loyalty to God.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

The souls cry out, asking how long it will be until justice is done.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

God tells them to wait a little longer until more of God's plan unfolds.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

Koresh, however, interpreted the fifth seal as pertaining specifically to his followers.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

The Christians crying out were the Branch Davidians killed during the ATF raid and now they were in their waiting season, pausing until God revealed what the next step was.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

From Koresh's perspective, surrendering early would mean disobeying God.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

Arnold and Tabor addressed the fifth seal at length in their second radio interview, encouraging Koresh to wait as long as he needed, while pointing out that he didn't have to remain at Mount Carmel to do so.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

Paul, the most famous of Jesus' apostles, had continued his ministry after being imprisoned.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

Koresh could surrender peacefully and it wouldn't mean he was betraying God, it might actually expand his influence and audience.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

They cited a passage in Revelation that instructed its narrator to prophecy again before many peoples and nations, something Koresh couldn't do as long as he was holed up inside his compound.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

As they didn't know whether or not Karash and his followers would have heard the radio interview, Arnold and Tabor obtained a taped copy of it and began thinking of a way to send it in to Mount Carmel.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

Another person eager to make contact with Koresh was an attorney retained by Koresh's mother ten days into the siege.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

Dick DeGaran was a renowned Texas criminal defense lawyer who would go on to defend some of the state's most infamous cases.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

DeGaran drove with Koresh's mother to Waco and attempted to enter Mount Carmel, but was blocked at a checkpoint.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

After petitioning both the courts and the FBI, de Guerin was finally permitted to visit Koresh on Monday March 29, just over a month into the siege.

Casefile True Crime
Case 339: Waco (Part 3/3)

He rode up to the compound in an armoured Bradley vehicle driven by an FBI agent.