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This didn't have the desired effect, with both Koresh and Steve Schneider becoming upset with Cathy for not being a spokesperson for them.
One of the FBI's hidden microphones picked up someone in the compound, stating, ''Cathy sounds like she's becoming one of them.''
After that, the FBI established a modified strategy.
The negotiators would remain friendly and courteous, but would take a firmer approach.
They would continue to discuss finding a way to a peaceful resolution with the Branch Davidians, but would no longer listen to any more Bible babble.
On Monday March 15, Koresh's two right-hand men, Steve Schneider and Wayne Martin, agreed to meet with negotiator Byron Sage and the McLennan County Sheriff in person.
The four met on the grounds of Mount Carmel, about 20 yards from the front doors.
All were putting themselves in a dangerous situation.
Byron Sage was terrified that someone from inside the compound might seize the moment to fire on him or the sheriff.
Meanwhile, some members of the HRT were fighting the urge to grab Steve and Wayne and arrest them as they stood there unarmed.
Their instincts to jump into action were only assuaged by directions from FBI leadership to leave the men alone.
Byron Sage spoke mostly to Steve, who was calm and made strong eye contact.
Wayne Martin seemed nervous, dressed in a three-piece suit and fidgeting.
Sage looked Steve directly in the eyes and reassured him that he would give his life to protect two documents, the US Constitution and the Bible.
That was why he was meeting with them to come to a peaceful resolution.
Steve responded positively to this, telling Sage that he believed him completely and would do all that he could to conclude the siege, though he and Wayne repeatedly made it clear that Koresh would always have the final say.
Steve Schneider and Byron Sage agreed to meet again the following day.
When Steve went back into the compound, he told Koresh how much he liked and trusted Sage.
That night, Jeff Jamar ordered combat engineer vehicles to clear everything within 50 yards of the Mount Carmel building.
They crushed cars that belonged to Branch Davidians and were parked around the property.