Anoushka Mutanda-Dougherty

So we spoke earlier in the programme about force, fraud or coercion. Now, force, I understand how you could prove. I feel like bruises or physical damage, right? Fraud or coercion feels, once again, far more intangible.

So we spoke earlier in the programme about force, fraud or coercion. Now, force, I understand how you could prove. I feel like bruises or physical damage, right? Fraud or coercion feels, once again, far more intangible.

So when you have these immaterial forces and when something is received that might not be tangible, like we've said, surely the bulk of the evidence is then made up by witness testimony?

So when you have these immaterial forces and when something is received that might not be tangible, like we've said, surely the bulk of the evidence is then made up by witness testimony?

So when you have these immaterial forces and when something is received that might not be tangible, like we've said, surely the bulk of the evidence is then made up by witness testimony?

You famously prosecuted the R. Kelly case. Now, R. Kelly is a R&B singer and he was accused of forced labor. Remind me, was that the only charge? Yeah.

You famously prosecuted the R. Kelly case. Now, R. Kelly is a R&B singer and he was accused of forced labor. Remind me, was that the only charge? Yeah.

You famously prosecuted the R. Kelly case. Now, R. Kelly is a R&B singer and he was accused of forced labor. Remind me, was that the only charge? Yeah.

One of the things that a lot of people took from that that really stuck with people was the testimony of the witnesses who came up, the survivors. That is a lot, as you've just said, there is a lot of pressure on witness testimony there. How on earth do you prepare somebody to speak about something in a really fragile state in such a public manner?

One of the things that a lot of people took from that that really stuck with people was the testimony of the witnesses who came up, the survivors. That is a lot, as you've just said, there is a lot of pressure on witness testimony there. How on earth do you prepare somebody to speak about something in a really fragile state in such a public manner?

One of the things that a lot of people took from that that really stuck with people was the testimony of the witnesses who came up, the survivors. That is a lot, as you've just said, there is a lot of pressure on witness testimony there. How on earth do you prepare somebody to speak about something in a really fragile state in such a public manner?

Were there any difficulties around this with the R. Kelly case because there were so many eyes on it because he's such a big figure?

Were there any difficulties around this with the R. Kelly case because there were so many eyes on it because he's such a big figure?

Were there any difficulties around this with the R. Kelly case because there were so many eyes on it because he's such a big figure?

Liz, thank you so much for speaking to me today. We really appreciate it. Have a lovely rest of your day. Thank you. That was Elizabeth Geddes, former federal prosecutor in the United States. If you've got a question for us, send it through on WhatsApp at 0330 123 5551. That's 0330 123 5551. That's it for Diddy on Trial this week with me, Anushka Matanda-Dowdy.

Liz, thank you so much for speaking to me today. We really appreciate it. Have a lovely rest of your day. Thank you. That was Elizabeth Geddes, former federal prosecutor in the United States. If you've got a question for us, send it through on WhatsApp at 0330 123 5551. That's 0330 123 5551. That's it for Diddy on Trial this week with me, Anushka Matanda-Dowdy.

Liz, thank you so much for speaking to me today. We really appreciate it. Have a lovely rest of your day. Thank you. That was Elizabeth Geddes, former federal prosecutor in the United States. If you've got a question for us, send it through on WhatsApp at 0330 123 5551. That's 0330 123 5551. That's it for Diddy on Trial this week with me, Anushka Matanda-Dowdy.

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