Ansgar Dietrichs

And they are very thoroughly really turning around every single stone here in this overall stack and really making us understand what are the critical points here.

And again, how far are we from being willing to actually trust this?

So for example, just to take a related example, I'm not sure if you already had maybe an episode on post-quantum, but that's also a big topic on Ethereum.

We will soon, yeah.

Yes, mostly unrelated, but of course there's synergies here.

And it has a similar nature where I talked about the binary trees, and part of the binary trees is this choice of hash function that you need in the tree.

And there, for example, we also can't really, not block, but the longest piece of the timeline there is us talking with our cryptographers.

We have a candidate, like a family of candidate hash functions.

But getting to this point where we're saying, look, they are actually robust enough, they have been around long enough that we actually trust that they are secure, right?

Like, especially something like hash function, it's so fiddly, you can't really prove security.

You're just, it's basically like a lindiness to it, right?

Like, how long has it been around?

How many people have tried to find vulnerabilities?

Has there been anything found, right?

This kind of thing.

And so,

Some of these things you just can't accelerate, right?

Like how many years of academics having looked into this has there been, right?

That's just like a hard constraint.

And so both in this post-quantum, but also then binary trees we're also using for making use of ZK EVMs.