Ansgar Dietrichs

It's not directly ZK EVMs, but making use of them.

There's just some elements of the timeline there that are dictated by the security needs that we have.

And we just can't cut corners.

So it's a big concern, but I think we are very responsible about it.

That sounds right.

And I think we will be still probably in the process of making full use of it for scaling.

So we will be, hopefully 2030 will be another 3x year, maybe more than 3x because we have AI and the hard fork timelines are compressing, but basically another 3x year in 2031 will look like another 3x year.

So we will be on this continuous scaling path, but already squarely in the ZK EVM backed side of that scaling path.

Well, and I think this is what I said earlier.

It's not just that.

It's not an accident that you won't notice this transition.

It's actually by design.

I think in this moment in time, we're really trying to balance this, continue the strength of Ethereum of being able to make these leaps, these paradigm jumps that I think other projects really struggle to be able to follow.

I think, again, that's why we'll also just naturally have the post-quantum properties

I think many chains will actually struggle quite a bit with actually getting there.

And at the same time, realize that now we're no longer in the sandbox mode.

We can't just say, just wait, just wait for three more years.

Don't be so impatient.

No, no, no.

I mean, people are coming on chain.