Ansgar Dietrichs

Real world adoption is clearly here.

And so finding the right balance, I think, is the ongoing challenge.

It's what, for example, Tomas and Xiaowei in their time at the Ethereum Foundation have really put a lot of focus on.

And I think that's how I would narrate the future of Ethereum.

Both the Manhattan Project and the short-term focus and ownership of the protocol as a useful thing today.

Yeah, I mean, I think there's the immediate second order, like the, as you said, like the things that, like just the benefits to the broader EVM ecosystem, especially EVML2 ecosystem, because again, and I guess maybe I didn't mention this so much, like, I think

I think it's much easier to adopt, to benefit from the technology for L2s, for EVM L2s, whereas like other EVM L1s, I think, while I think that's actually, it's also very exciting for them.

I do think basically you'd have to re-architect your entire chain, right?

Similar to how I was saying, like the Ethereum L1, it's the ZKVM is the core piece, but there's like many elements to it, right?

Whereas because the L2s already have this architecture where they are just like naturally

settling on the L1, they just have to compress the timeline, the settling time.

For them, it's almost like a trivial upgrade to follow us to this world.

So I really think there's the unique synergy for the Ethereum L1 and then the Ethereum EVML2s.

I think longer term, if I'm talking beyond blockchains here for a second, I think we've already seen how in the world outside of crypto, we are starting to see this like second generation of cryptography really impact and it become very impactful.

It took a while.

It took a couple of years for people to start taking it seriously.

And so I think you can start to see it with

all kinds of things, like Microsoft is doing things, like a lot of governments are doing, like, I don't know, ZKID type of systems.

You're starting to really see use cases that go beyond just blockchains.

Blockchains are, like, the most valuable, so that's why we always see the technology there.