Anthony Scaramucci

But Vance is now a devout Catholic, which I think you know.

Rubio is also a Catholic.

I feel like Trump is making a stooge of J.D.

Vance.

And I think he's going to really hurt Vance coming into the second half of the administration.

What are your thoughts on that?

That is definitely what Vance's staff is telling him to make him feel better.

And I understand that.

But there's a streak in the president where he wants Vance to come across as his errand boy.

And there's a streak in the president where he wants Vance, particularly after that New York Times article, to be very compliant, very pliant to Donald Trump.

And I think that that came across there.

And I think that's existential for Vance as we go into the 2028 because he's going to try to separate himself, as most candidates do.

Even your old colleague and dear friend George Herbert Walker Bush tried to separate himself from a very popular president, Ronald Reagan.

Always.

No, you're right.

In 1988.

But anyway, I want to go to something that's been bothering me about the US involvement in all this.

And I want to get your perspective because you're a peacekeeper.

You're a diplomat.

I think you've been one of the most articulate people on the rules-based society globally and America's role in it.