Anthony Zurcher

He is very connected to what people are talking about in conservative circles online, as I think Mariana will attest.

And he has this finger on the pulse of what is important and issues that they care about.

And this is something that has been kicked around a lot domestically here in the United States among right-wing online circles.

He is also very interested in the conservative movement and the right-wing populist movement

around the world.

He has weighed in on elections in places like Germany, siding with the right-wing groups there, and Donald Trump has as well.

Now, this is definitely a break from tradition for American leaders.

They tend to not get too involved in domestic politics in other countries because there are potential knock-on effects and it could undermine the American agenda, American foreign policy.

elsewhere.

But Donald Trump and now J.D.

Vance, perhaps because Donald Trump does it and has been doing it for a decade, feels very comfortable to tell other countries how to handle and to criticize how they're handling their own domestic issues.

We've just come off the air with Five Live.

And before we go, before I head out into the countryside of Maine looking for a lobster roll to eat, there's another story we haven't talked about.

And that is the big news around the firing of CBS 60 Minutes correspondent Scott Pelley last week, also former CBS News television presenter, and the reaction to it and what it says about the American media environment at this point.

So I think

I guess, first of all, Sumi, let's explain what 60 Minutes is, because it is an institution here in the United States.

And for Scott Pelley to be fired, who had been there for quite some time, it's kind of a remarkable development in what has been an ongoing story about what is happening at CBS News under its new ownership.

And why he was fired was because he was criticizing what had been other layoffs that were taking place, other firings that were happening within 60 minutes.

Three correspondents, an executive producer, an executive editor, other key staffers were replaced, all part of this kind of wholesale change that had been going on in CBS since David Ellison took over with the new ownership of Paramount, the media company that owns CBS News, and the appointment of Barry Weiss to lead CBS News.

Right.