Antoine Papiernik

Well, I think to me, but again, I'm not the expert in that field, but if I look at what I, you know, the countries I know the best, you know, there are things that are reimbursed that should not be reimbursed.

I mean, do I think that, and I've said this publicly before, do I think people who have a, you know, a headache go to that doctor to get a prescription for paracetamol?

That makes no sense to me as a citizen.

To me, it's like, I've got a headache.

I buy out-of-pocket paracetamol and I self-admits that paracetamol so that I hope that the day that I need something very different as a drug, then I will be able to access that drug.

But the numbers are so vast in how many people just decide to go to their physician, get reimbursed for that, to get a prescription for a drug that you don't need a prescription for.

I'm exaggerating.

Yeah, of course.

So, you know, if the citizens want to be treated, they need to also start to understand that they have a responsibility in that and that they need to save, you know, their own dollars, health care dollars, euros.

pounds, whatever, for a disease that actually will save them, not will just be a nice drug that they could get off.

So what you may not know is that we actually opened an office in Shanghai in 2006.

at the time probably was silly, but the idea was something needs to happen there.

At the time, we're talking about traditional medicine, so things that were at the complete other side of the next biotech drug.

And we didn't stay there very long because there was 2008 and we had to focus on our own country, but we have relationships today that dates back 20 years.

And anyone who's surprised...

about what's happened in China just didn't do their homework because it was written.

I have visited China several times a year over the last 20 years.

And it's just amazing.

what's happened there.

But it's not a surprise.