Antony Blinken

And China can't ignore that. That's exactly what we've done. David, we've had more convergence now in how to deal with all of the challenges posed by China with Europe, with Asia than we've ever had before. And that's a source of strength. Now, maybe we haven't done a good enough job explaining it, just as with NATO. People don't want war. They don't want conflict. Of course.

And China can't ignore that. That's exactly what we've done. David, we've had more convergence now in how to deal with all of the challenges posed by China with Europe, with Asia than we've ever had before. And that's a source of strength. Now, maybe we haven't done a good enough job explaining it, just as with NATO. People don't want war. They don't want conflict. Of course.

Well, President Biden got us out of America's longest war after 20 years.

Well, President Biden got us out of America's longest war after 20 years.

Well, President Biden got us out of America's longest war after 20 years.

What's true is this. I think we're living in a period that is in so many ways more combustible, more contested, more complicated than any since the end of the Cold War. And as we've seen it, we are moving into a new era, a new phase.

What's true is this. I think we're living in a period that is in so many ways more combustible, more contested, more complicated than any since the end of the Cold War. And as we've seen it, we are moving into a new era, a new phase.

What's true is this. I think we're living in a period that is in so many ways more combustible, more contested, more complicated than any since the end of the Cold War. And as we've seen it, we are moving into a new era, a new phase.

I think fundamentally, look, there are near-term dangers that we see playing out in Ukraine. There are near-term dangers that you can see anywhere from Pakistan to North Korea. But fundamentally, the larger danger I see is this. We did construct an order after two world wars with the express design of preventing another global conflagration. And that order was always imperfect.

I think fundamentally, look, there are near-term dangers that we see playing out in Ukraine. There are near-term dangers that you can see anywhere from Pakistan to North Korea. But fundamentally, the larger danger I see is this. We did construct an order after two world wars with the express design of preventing another global conflagration. And that order was always imperfect.

I think fundamentally, look, there are near-term dangers that we see playing out in Ukraine. There are near-term dangers that you can see anywhere from Pakistan to North Korea. But fundamentally, the larger danger I see is this. We did construct an order after two world wars with the express design of preventing another global conflagration. And that order was always imperfect.

It's been tested, it's been challenged, but it basically did its job in making sure we didn't have another global conflagration. And with it came a lot of rules, norms, understandings of one kind or another. And we now have some revisionist powers that are contesting that entire system. The core revisionist powers, Russia, North Korea, Iran, are testing it in certain ways.

It's been tested, it's been challenged, but it basically did its job in making sure we didn't have another global conflagration. And with it came a lot of rules, norms, understandings of one kind or another. And we now have some revisionist powers that are contesting that entire system. The core revisionist powers, Russia, North Korea, Iran, are testing it in certain ways.

It's been tested, it's been challenged, but it basically did its job in making sure we didn't have another global conflagration. And with it came a lot of rules, norms, understandings of one kind or another. And we now have some revisionist powers that are contesting that entire system. The core revisionist powers, Russia, North Korea, Iran, are testing it in certain ways.

China's testing it, I think, in a different way. It's the one country that has the capacity, militarily, economically, politically, diplomatically, to actually... find a way to change the rules, but in a way that reflects its interests and its values, not ours. That's the biggest challenge I see. And that's the contest. China specifically. And China specifically, but over many years.

China's testing it, I think, in a different way. It's the one country that has the capacity, militarily, economically, politically, diplomatically, to actually... find a way to change the rules, but in a way that reflects its interests and its values, not ours. That's the biggest challenge I see. And that's the contest. China specifically. And China specifically, but over many years.

China's testing it, I think, in a different way. It's the one country that has the capacity, militarily, economically, politically, diplomatically, to actually... find a way to change the rules, but in a way that reflects its interests and its values, not ours. That's the biggest challenge I see. And that's the contest. China specifically. And China specifically, but over many years.

And there's not a clear finish line. Yeah. And I think the challenge for us, for any American administration, is amplified by this. One of the things, I've been doing this now for 32 years. I came in at the very beginning of the Clinton administration. I'm going out at the end of the Biden administration. And, you know, and it goes a little bit, David, to the business year and so effectively.

And there's not a clear finish line. Yeah. And I think the challenge for us, for any American administration, is amplified by this. One of the things, I've been doing this now for 32 years. I came in at the very beginning of the Clinton administration. I'm going out at the end of the Biden administration. And, you know, and it goes a little bit, David, to the business year and so effectively.

And there's not a clear finish line. Yeah. And I think the challenge for us, for any American administration, is amplified by this. One of the things, I've been doing this now for 32 years. I came in at the very beginning of the Clinton administration. I'm going out at the end of the Biden administration. And, you know, and it goes a little bit, David, to the business year and so effectively.