Arden Zwelling

And you want to talk about like what a pitcher can actually control.

It's strikeouts and walks.

And hit by pitches as well.

Uh, but like to me, it's strikeouts and walks are the, the huge part that a pitcher can really control.

And Jeff Hoffman, 28.5% strikeout minus walk rate.

I mean, we're, we're talking about that's better than Louis Varlin.

That's better than Andres Munoz and Reza Iglesias, who we just saw the other night.

Um, that's better than our oldest Chapman and all these other guys who are having a ton of success.

Um,

This is why you look at his ERA of 6.31, and that's bad.

But you look at his expected ERA of 3.16, and his fielding independent pitching of 2.62, and his expected fielding independent pitching of 2.1, and those are great numbers.

And that's why on Fangraphs...

Cover your ears.

He's been worth .6 of a win.

He's been an above replacement pitcher per Fangraph's war, which uses FIP.

you know i'm not like making the case here i'm just okay arguing the other side you know okay which is which is fair as i do so for the no i know so just for the clarity for our listeners where where do you sit on this but there is a point i want to make going back to the to the walk stuff but you you go ahead where do you really stand on this in my like subjective heart of hearts like i'm not giving him high leverage right now obviously yeah clearly but he's a part of my bullpen and he has to pitch right like there and absolutely

there's, there's two poles to this, right?

Like there's the one pole that is no, you fool, Jeff Hoffman's actually good and he should be closing for this team.

And there's this other pool that is just DFA him.

And I'm in the middle of that, right?